Guardian owns up to cases of anti-Semitism...will PF haters?

If you read the quote from the paper it clearly states that the comments in question '...could be construed...'and '...could be read as...' as anti-Semitic. That brings the element of subjectivity into the debate.
I didn't read the articles in question so I won't comment further. I suspect you didn't either, and yet you're quick to attack...

Personally I'm sick and tired of having to walk on eggshells where commenting on Israel and Zionism is concerned, if any criticism I make gets immediately jumped on as being anti-Semitic. Do Zionists have such fragile egos and thin skins that they can't cope with criticism without whining?

 

If you're a Zionist supporter anything that can be even remotely construed as questioning Israeli policy is automatically labelled 'anti-Semitic'. It's their standard modus operandi and, in the absence of any reasoned debate, their only defense.

 

I have no ulterior motives, only persenting the truth, without the whitewash of sensationalism.

 

Heh, no no I wasn't suggesting that you had an ulterior motive in showing those examples!

 

Can't say I've ever noticed - sorry.

Perhaps you could give us some criticisms right now, so we can all see how they should be criticised..?

 

This is what it has become acceptable to criticize Zionist anti-Semitism, since so many Zionists are so very eager to insult and condemn people simply because they don't hate any Semites.

 

Examples of 'unrealistic standards' that they are held to, please?

One's that NO OTHER COUNTRY are held to?

Thanks

 

But, but the Syrians are rioting ...

 

Answer - it doesn't. People used take 'anti semitism' to mean hate of Semite Jews. Now it is anyone that non Semite Jews hate.

 

All of this - well said.

Jack

 

It is not just some Jews who are utterly horrified when people don't hate Semites. Many on the far right extreme seem to believe that the anti-Semite card is valuable means of insulting people who don't hate Jews.

 

- The US dispatches Osama, the world aplauds, Israel dispatches sheik Yassin - the world is outraged.

- The US invades Afghanistan for 10 years and counting in response to one major terror attack, the UN approves, Israel invades Lebanon and Gaza for 30 days in response to years of terror and rocket attacks -the UN condemns.

- The US accidentally kills civilians in Iraq, the world is silent, Israel accidentally kills civilians - the world is hysterical.

- The US kills Canadian and British servicemen in a case of friendly fire, no problem, Israel sinks an American ship 45 years ago - anti-israel hysteria continues until today.

- No world protests to thousands of terror attacks against innocent Israelis, mass protests against the death of Turkish terrorists on Mavimara.

- Islam is a religion of peace, Zionism is a form of racism.

- Silence regarding the US blockade of Cuba, non stop whining regarding the Israeli blockade of Gaza...

- The UN does not condemn genocide in Sudan at all. The UN condemns Israel for 'crimes' first and starts an [biased] investigation second.

- The brits protest an Israeli attack against Hamas, they don't protest the presense of their troops in Afghanistan or their bombing of Libya.

Seriously, do you need a hundred more examples or that's good enough.

 

I fear that you have just set yourself up for a huge fall here, esp when others rock by, and see your list.

I am going to personally get a beer, and watch the fun

I will entertain one of your 'points'. The last one, since I am British. British people do and did protest those things. And Iraq. In large numbers. And it tends not to be an 'attack on Hamas' that repulses the world, but attacks on civilians, attacks using chemical weapons, and which are NOT an accident.

Would be greedy for me to take all your points, so I will let others now share the kill...

 

This doesn't have anything to do with anti-Semitism. Most Zionists are American Christians and not all israelis are Semites.

 

There has been a dynamic shift and/or Zionism is playing two sides.

Could it fairly be argued that Zionists have hijacked the right, they way it once hijacked the left? Perhaps this explains the mysterious presence of the alien flag of an alien state, at far right gatherings, in Britain?

 

Nonsense, you killed more innocent civilians in Libya (let alone Afghanistan) than Israel ever did in Gaza and Lebanon combined and no one even blinked in your country. And british protests against 10 years of the British occupation of Afghanistan or completely unauthorized military campaign in Libya are serveral orders of magnitute smaller than the protests against any Israeli military action, if they ever take place at all.

The British hypocricy of protesting the defensive actions of Israel while occupying Afghanistan for 10 years, bombing the sh*t out of Libya and murdering thousands of innocent civilians is nothing short of staggering.

 

I'll have to put some thought into this. I'm not sure if Israeli is misusing the right or if the right is misusing Israel, but it is certainly a case of one or the other or both combined.

 

This has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. However, it can be noted that the conflict in Libya is over while Israel is still rejecting the nation of Palestine.

 

LOL the crime is over, let's forget about it, right? Anyway, the British troops are still in Afghanistan so the British public protests against ...Israel.

 

All nations suffer from crime, including Libya. Yet, the war in Libya is over while Israel still rejects the nation of Palestine.

Both the Taliban and Israel are fairly criticized by some British. What Israeli needs are British peace-keeping troops through the UN.

This still has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, however, unless you mean that some Brits criticize some Israeli hatred of Semites.

 

Um, I hate to break this to you, but you are speaking here to one of the biggest critics of British involvement in Libya, Afghani, and Iraq. Wasn't done in my name, wasn't done in the names of many, we weren't consulted or asked, and although we protested, it didn't stop the elites from pressing ahead.

I utterly loathe the British Gov, and have done for about 30 yrs.

 

In all honesty, our relationship is somewhat slavish to Israel.

 

I'd take your reassurances more seriously if your actions and posts here were in line with the views you proclaimed. But you hardly even pay lip service to the crimes your govenment commits in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq and instead spend your every moment on PF bashing Israel. Not just you of course the entire british section of PF and which happens to be a pretty good sample of the entire british public.

In all fairness the rest of Europe and the World is not any better. You wage wars, kill civilians occupy countries for decades...and spend all your spare time bashing Israel.

 

Ironically the Israelis believe in the same thing, that is that Israel is run from Washingon, not Tel Aviv.

 

Oh, but the bleating of members on this forum whom you support, members who openly claim that all the peoples of Islam are trying to take over the world and turn this country and that country into an Islamic state and that their religion is one of war and oppression is perfectly acceptable?

Yet if anyone showed the same open hate/ignorance towards Jewish peoples, they'd probably be called a nazi and banned from the forum.

Zionist supporters and their puppets greatest flaw is their open hypocrisy and failure to even take into account the position in which they attack others from is a position just as flawed as their own defence, because it's one in the same. Zionists defence is their attack, and that's not the actions of a peoples, of a nation of a collective striving for peace, and instead stoke the fires for the opposite, and even when such is proven time and time again, they retreat to national pride and accusations of anti-semitism, shamelessly upholding flawed values which may in the end bring about their own destruction.

Until I see halo's above peoples heads, I'll believe no one is born a better human than another, and which is why I'm against Israeli anti-nonJewish apartheid, which is one good excuse for enemies of Israel, not that I am one of them, but Israel will never have peace if the state treats a people of one faith better than those of others, gives more rights to one faith than others and treats peoples of other faiths without any humanity in some cases.