Guardian owns up to cases of anti-Semitism...will PF haters?

Guardian, one of the most anti-Israel papers on the planet has recognized that it has repeatedly crossed the line of anti-semitism. Of course what they've neglected to recognize that it's their over-the-board 'anti-zionist' rhetoric that helps spread antisemitism in the first place.

Needless to say these Gardian cases pale in comparison to the garbage that resident Israel haters spew here on a daily basis. Will they recognize cases of their own anti-semitism...or will they keep insisting that of all the places on the planet they are obsessed with and hate a tiny Jewish state only and that it's not antisemitic? I don't hold my breath.

 

Semite hatred is defined by viewing the U.S. relationship with Israel as 'slavish'? Sounds like someone is trying to create a new definition of anti-Semitism. Didn't you just redefine anti-Semitism to mean anyone who redefine's anti-Semitism?

"Self-hating Jew" is, by the way, another redefinition of anti-Semitism, along with "new anti-Semitism":

Self-hating Jew is a term used to allege that a Jewish person holds antisemitic beliefs or engages in antisemitic actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

new anti-Semitism: Islamic reactionaries; “the Left”
http://newantisemitism.org/


It is just classic how many Zionists attempt to redefine anti-semitism to prove that the anti-Semite is the one who redefines anti-semitism.

 

Nope, it's not new, it's as old as the Protocols. The accusation that the JOOZ rule the world, the media, the financial industry etc have always been considered an antisemitic canard. If Israel-hating Guardian recognizes that, I think you should come to grips with the fact that some of your beliefs and lots of what's spewed here daily about Israel and Jews is indeed antisemitic.

 

Wiki defines the Zionist redefinition of anti-Semitism as

developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_anti-Semitism

With your redefinition of anti-Semitism, this defines Zionism as being anti-semite:

This is also a redefinition of anti-Semitism, which defines your position, according to your argument, as being anti-Semite. I support Israel and I don't hate any Jews, which means that your self-described anti-Semite redefinition of anti-Semitism defines anti-semitism as the act of not hating Jews. This is actually in compliance with your "redefine antisemitism - Jew-hating morons" remark, since you are thus saying that you redefined anti-Semitism for the sole purpose of hating people since they don't hate Jews. Thus, I think that you are right that your redefinition of anti-Semitism is Jew-hostile, but such most likely only applies to your situation which is probably why you chose to be represented by the Borat TV character which is known as being a raving anti-Semite.

 

It doesn't come as any surprise that The Guardian constantly spews out anti-Israeli, anti- Jewish propaganda. Since John Pilger is one of their contributors, it's no surprise.

 

And this is a perfectly fine definition of new anti-Semitism. In simple terms people who treat Israel as the jew of the nations are 'new' anti-semites.

Guardian on the other hand is talking about the old traditional anti-semitism, the accusations that a secret jewish cabal has taken over the world. The accusations that quite a number of posters here share and support.

 

Ring, ring, clue phone, it is for...you.

Has it ever crossed your mind that this is yet another sign of the Zionist lobby doing to British media, what it has long done to American media?

Nup?

That never crossed your mind?

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I would call this action another sad day for British print media.

 

In your own words, you wrote that

Thus, you have proven that you believe that Zionism is heavily anti-Semite for redefining anti-Semitism.

 

Poor little BoRat.

Getting all tied in knots here.

Well, this thread didn't go the way he had hoped, but then I suppose an OP as confrontational as that is only ever going to end bad.

 

Actually it went exactly as I expected, the usual suspects, not me are tying themselves in knots trying to argue that their beliefs are not antisemitic when even uber anti-Israel Guardian says they are. Good luck with that.

 

Ah ha!

So you won, after all, and we all lost.

This calls for some special music for BoRat.


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You always lose. You bark loudly but no one cares. The wars against Israel failed, the Intifadas failed, the terror campaigns failed, the rocket attacks failed, your BDS is a miserable failure, the Palestinian UN bid has failed (and destroyed UNESCO in the process). Israel is a prosperous democracy, its enemies are medieval theocratic sh*tholes, Israel creates new medicine, its enemies create new suicide belts, Israel builds bomb shelters in school yards, its enemies build rocket launchers there... If Israel decides to wipe out Iranian nuclear facilities it just will and there will be nothing you'll be able to do about it.

Keep barking, no one really cares, Israel is there to stay and there is nothing you can do about it. You've had 2,000 years to persecute the Jews. The gig is up now.

 

I love the way BoRAT trumped us ALL on here, with his clever as a fox cunning, and stealth.

I for one believe we should all buy mugs with his real face on it.

Hurrah for member BoRAT, the Prince Among Men.

HURRAH!

 

*Irony on* How does the Guardian or anybody else dare to criticize Israeli politics? We all know that Jews and thus the state of Israel are incapable of ever doing anything bad and that it's not possible for anybody of Jewish descent to be rich!*Irony off*

Having said that I'd like to clarify that I do indeed hate anti-semitism and negative stereotyping of any kind. But I'm also not fond of positive discrimination.

 

Criticizing Israel is fine, I criticize Israel too (probably for the opposite from what you criticize it for but still). Being obsessed with Israel (like a number of Israel haters here), holding Israel to a totally unrealistic standard that no other country has ever been held to while 'forgiving', 'justifying' and 'explaining' every crime, every human rights/international law violation and every attack carried out by Israel's enemies is a totally different matter. But you already knew that, did not you?

 

If you criticize Israel for the opposite of what I criticize it for I suppose you want it to commit even more crimes, human rights/international law violations and attacks. I would indeed regard that as not very beneficial for Israel.

If it did, I'd expect the Guardian to report on it just as it reports on crimes, human rights/international law violations and attacks in other countries. Maybe with a bit more fervour: after all Israel isn't some pesky little third-world dictatorship but claims to be a democracy and in its own interest should be held to according standards.

 

At least, the Guardian has a sense of shame.


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They looked at their behaviour against their standadrs and found themselves wanting on three occasions. Would that some here showed such a degree of insight. Or even standards of some kind.

 

I just want to know, how does 'anti-some-Israeli-policies' equal 'anti-antisemitism'?

AH

 

Then, you expected to prove that you believe that Zionism is heavily anti-Semite and you succeeded in proving such as far as your position is concerned, by showing that Zionism redefines anti-Semitism in order to be identified by you as being heavily anti-Semite:

 

You'll be scuttling to hide behind The Guardian when the fascist activities of the current Knesset bring about a new Kristallnacht

 

This is it?

So if I say that the US and Israel have global domination it's anti-Semitism?

If I say the US is "slavish" to Israel, it's anti-Semitism?

If I say the wealthier people in the island of Mallorca are Jews it's anti-Semitism?

This is rather pathetic.

 

Seems to me that condemning all jews, muslims, christians, whatever is certainly a problem. This is different, IMO, from condemning Israel, Iran, USA... the only problem is people interchange the idea of Israel with Jews. Criticism of [Israels'] government actions, and the populous that support it, does not mean you are criticising Jews for being jews - this seems fairly clear to me, but people on here seem quite happy to confuse the two, whilst then going on to "hate on" muslims.

People from all backgrounds do bad things, but they cannot speak for all from that background.

 

I agree. These can all be true statements, it doesn't infer hatred of the people you are talking about. Of course, in a forum, there is usually an ulterior motive for mentioning these facts...

 

For anyone interested in what was actually written in the Guardian (rather than simply using it as an excuse to rehash the same old hate-fest);

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/06/averting-accusations-of-antisemitism-guardian