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Gun Control needs to be instituted

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Lucky1knows, Jan 24, 2023.

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  1. Lucky1knows

    Lucky1knows Well-Known Member

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    ????

    Confusing post. I have not given a concession to anything.
     
    Lucky1knows, Jan 24, 2023
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    Buri Well-Known Member

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    I see the math here.
    Less bad guys with guns and more good guys with guns.

    now the good guys stand a better chance when less bad guys with guns are around.
    Everyone wins.
     
    Buri, Jan 24, 2023
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    Buri Well-Known Member

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    Did you stop and research what it takes for a citizen to obtain a chl?

    it’s free try it.
     
    Buri, Jan 24, 2023
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    are you denying the facts I posted. the number of guns in the USA almost went up 25% but gun crime surely did not. I spent 30 years as a prosecuting attorney in the USA-what have you ever done that gives you any professional expertise in this area. You don't even live in the USA. You don't interact with police officers, FBI agents, USMS DEA or county sheriffs as I did for three decades. SO just stop pretending your propaganda means anything to me. You start with the premise that guns are bad and find anti gun organizations to give your claims credibility
    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/crime-rate-statistics
     
    Turtledude, Jan 24, 2023
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Let us stick to reality. How do you get no guns?
     
    Turtledude, Jan 24, 2023
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    In many cases we don't.
    Ok, and . . .?
     
    Bullseye, Jan 24, 2023
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    Ooooooh! I am excited! I actually got a citation! Pity it is meaningless

    numbr of guns is not the same as number of gun owners - unless of course you think the guns are responsible for the crime?
    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/policy/

    Oh! And claims on the internet mean nothing - I judge solely on how posts are responded to.
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 24, 2023
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    What is the criteria to become a “concealed carry” gun owner? In most places it is a background check - these people obviously passed ergo were not “criminals” before they killed someone
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 24, 2023
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    Research
    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 24, 2023
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    well tell us how you decrease the number of owners without decreasing the number of guns and vice versa? we keep hearing from the gun banners the following

    1) how many more guns there are than people-as if that is a bad thing
    2) that allowing honest citizens to carry guns would cause "blood to flow in the streets"

    So what is your point. that you want to cut down on the number of legal gun owners who have no disqualifying features when they try to buy a gun
     
    Turtledude, Jan 24, 2023
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you know Hemenway is pretty much seen as a paid whore of the anti gun movement and doesn't have much integrity. He always starts with his goal-showing gun ownership is bad-and works backward. Do you know what his actual academic background is?
     
    Turtledude, Jan 24, 2023
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    So are many mass shooters. Or just single killers for that matter.
     
    Bullseye, Jan 24, 2023
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    So - how will “locking up the criminals” reduce the incidence?
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 24, 2023
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    Really? Should be obvious.
     
    Bullseye, Jan 24, 2023
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    just more evidence that gun banners really aren't trying to decrease violent crime-just legal gun ownership.
     
    Turtledude, Jan 24, 2023
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    Yes I do and he is not the only one showing this correlation - just the one I have on my “favourites” list. Feel free to counter with equivalent research showing the opposite effect

    https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/20/us/everytown-weak-gun-laws-high-gun-deaths-study/index.html

    https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/firearm-prevalence-violent-crime.html
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 24, 2023
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    When and where have I suggested anything of the sort?

    Again we are down to NRA memes
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 24, 2023
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    How many of the 38 mass shootings that Lucky1 claims happened were committed by individuals who were already criminals?
     
    SiNNiK, Jan 24, 2023
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    They are intentionally obtuse.
     
    SiNNiK, Jan 24, 2023
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    what group do you think is more credible-the NRA or the anti gun foundations that pay people like Hemenway?
     
    Turtledude, Jan 24, 2023
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Has Lucky1 ever told us how a gun law will impede someone who plans premeditated murder?
     
    Turtledude, Jan 24, 2023
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    No sir. They just keep saying "gun control".
     
    SiNNiK, Jan 24, 2023
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    yep, because controlling crime is not their goal and never has been
     
    Turtledude, Jan 24, 2023
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    Near as I can tell nearly zero but feel free to prove me wrong
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 24, 2023
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    Lols! Do you HONESTLY think the NRA is credible? After all the scandals? Lols!
    https://www.npr.org/2021/11/02/1051...k-at-nepotism-fraud-and-corruption-in-the-nra

    And especially since it was caught out trying to buy politicians in Australia
     
    Bowerbird, Jan 24, 2023
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