Gun Deaths Per Capita By State

Every subgroup living in a Red State has a higher firearm fatality rate that the same subgroup living in a Blue State. The common link is living in a Red state

 

More importantly gun ownership is popular in Wyoming. Nearly everyone has at least one. Compare that to New Jersey, for example where a smaller percentage of people own guns. So the statistics are loaded because it compares gun deaths to the total population instead of the gun owning population. It is a standard trick in statistics to support an agenda. I recall seeing a statistic that X% of auto accidents occur within 25 miles of home. It doesn't explain that X% of driving occurs within 25 miles of home. Statistics used improperly. The chart is garbage.

 

The common link is that a higher percentage of citizens in red states own guns than citizens in blue states. Your comment is incorrect. It isn't where someone lives. It is what percentage of people have guns in that area. People who don't own guns aren't likely to be involved in gun violence. Some other sort of violence perhaps but not gun violence.

 

We clearly need an armed public carrying concealed handguns. The armed police model is a proven failure -- they cannot keep the peace.
Violent criminals will always be empowered by a disarmed public. Armed police now live in fear and are leaving the force.

NPR, LAW, Police Officers Fear More For Their Safety, Pew Survey Finds, Martin Kaste, January 11, 20174:29 PM ET, Heard on All Things Considered.
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/11/509361596/police-officers-fear-more-for-their-safety-pew-survey-finds

Gun banners are often very vocal. The movement to disarm the public is well documented. I am sure you know that.
Gun Control Kills.

It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them., There’s no long any room in the gun-control debate for nuance. Eliminate guns, and we’ll eliminate the carnage.,
Phoebe Maltz Bovy/, December 10, 2015.
https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

 

Yes the percentage of the population owning firearms is definitely crucial when making comparisons.

My post you responded to is misinformation though. I effed up the math posting in a rush.

 

You admit that guns are driving away the police!!

You ignore the fact that all other first world countries have better control of their gun situation and FAR lower gun death rates.

And, finding one author who lives in CANADA shows you do NOT have an issue.

 

Those gun data demonstrate that one factor in gun death comes from the state having a LOT of guns.

Your driving/accident stat is important for specific purposes. It's a warning to those who don't regularly drive long distances that they are still exposed to serious risk.

I've never seen that stat used inappropriately.

 

Murder rate by any means:

• Mississippi - 20.50 per 100k.
• Louisiana - 19.90 per 100k.
• Alabama - 14.20 per 100k.
• Missouri - 14 per 100k.
• Arkansas - 13 per 100k.
• South Carolina - 12.70 per 100k.
• Tennessee - 11.50 per 100k.
• Maryland - 11.40 per 100k

As I have stated several times. the common link is living in a Red state

 

Say 6 hail marys and all will be well.

 

Frankly, the murder rate has reasonable matches with the GDP rate.

Low gdp/capita is associated with failure in addressing gun death.

None of these are perfect, but they do give some clues!

 

Fine. But the gun death numbers are garbage as I stated.

 

One sub group will account for the largest portion of the statistics which would those ones be?

 

Your argument doesn't fly.

Yes, some states have fewer guns. That is one way to control gun death.

If some other state doesn't like that method, then they need to find another way, as the current rate of gun death is horrendous.

 

I think we've heard that hypothesis many times before, and it has made sense to me before, but when we look at actual data, is that really what we find? If what you say is true, why hasn't crime skyrocketed in places that did severely restrict guns?

 

that would be the group that votes for Democrats at a higher percentage than any other group

 

The one that lives in Red states. The common link is living in Red States. Living in Red states makes every sub group more violent

 

Yours is the best. Some interesting outliers. For example Washington DC has the highest homocide rate, and the lowest suicide rate! New Mexico and Texas are both border states with lax gun laws. Texas with more urban centers of a million or more Dallas, Austin San Antonio, Houston has far fewer gun deaths than New Mexico which has none.

 

Oh. I didn’t realize my state had turned blue and Illinois had turned red.

I know ya’ll aren’t looking for solutions but my state came up with one to help in the place most firearm homicides/violence occur.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/omaha-nebraska-cut-gun-violence-half-become-model/story?id=96799185

 

That is unrelated to what I said. I said the chart should show gun deaths by gun owning population not by total population since gun ownership varies from state to state. It makes the chart garbage as I said. Don't like the argument? Fine with me.

 

the sad thing is that we all pretty well understand that crime control or public safety is not what motivates avid gun banners. it's political weaponization of gun laws to attack conservatives

 

that's speculative unsupported BS. lots of states are purple-Like Ohio. and our most violent areas-whether we had two democrat senators for most of the 70s and 80s or one Democrat and one Republican as we have had for the last 20 or so years with both GOP and Democrat governors -are democrat run areas in the urban areas

 

In fact, all crime including gun crime tends to soar after guns are "severely restricted" for reasons that should have been obvious.

"England and Wales also have the worst record for "very serious" offences, recording 18 such crimes for every 100 inhabitants, followed
by Australia with 16. And "contact crime", defined as robbery, sexual assault and assault with force, was second highest in England and Wales - 3.6 per cent of those surveyed. This compares with 1.9 per cent in the US."
THE INDEPENDENT, "Britain is now the crime capital of the West," Sophie Goodchild, 14 July 2002. (emphasis mine)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-is-now-the-crime-capital-of-the-west-184252.html

That is 6 years after the 96 ban was imposed in the UK.

 

All crime, including gun crime has surged where only criminals and cops carry guns.

The "elite" Canadian armed police, RCMP, are even more helpless than the massed professional Uvaldi police forces.

They usually fail miserably whenever put to the test.

“Perhaps most notably, the Mass Casualty Commission did not admit evidence from the FitBit of victim Heather O’Brien indicating that she may have been showing a pulse for more than eight hours after police left her for dead.

Accusations that the Mass Casualty Commission is overlooking critical details are particularly notable given the sheer number of RCMP failures that have characterized the tragedy.

It was an RCMP bullet that ended the massacre and one of its 22 victims was an RCMP member, Const. Heidi Stevenson, who died while bravely trying to engage the shooter. But hearings by the Mass Casualty Commission have exposed a cascade of technological and organizational failures from law enforcement that were instrumental in allowing the killings to extend into a second day.

The gunman began his massacre by murdering 13 people in the rural neighbourhood of Portapique, N.S., where he lived.

While police initially assumed the perpetrator had taken his own life after these first killings, he reappeared in a different part of the province the next morning and murdered another nine people before being shot to death by police at a Nova Scotia gas station.

This week, retired RCMP Staff Sgt. Steve Halliday told the Commission that police were two hours late in warning the public that the gunman was driving a replica police cruiser — information that could have been critical in saving the lives of his final victims, who knew that a mass killer was at large, but not what he was driving.

The Commission also heard this week from witnesses and analysts saying the response was hindered by spotty radio reception, the lack of a police helicopter and officers’ inability to access a digital map program that could have better tracked the gunman’s movements.”
NATIONAL POST, FIRST READING: Why inquiry into Canada’s worst mass shooting keeps hemorrhaging public confidence, By Tristin Hopper, 5/26/2022.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...eps-hemorrhaging-public-confidence/ar-AAXKU9j

 

I will need to look into this more. I don't really like seeing rape and robbery lumped together, but I intend to look for some corroborating/countering info. Thinking about it more, it's entirely unsurprising if robbery would rise but murder would fall with more restrictive laws, based upon the in-depth studies on the personal safety effects of owning guns I have seen.

 

This probably explains most of it:

More Soft Targets = More Murders