HAARP and weather modification

Found a great article today on HAARP. I thought it would be a great read for those that like to claim HAARP and weather manipulation is all BS, or it doesn't exist at all. This is one of those "conspiracy theories" that has existed for some time now but is largely ignored by the ignorant and the agenda driven hacks. Enjoy and please comment.

http://www.projectcensored.org/9-government-sponsored-technologies-for-weather-modification/

 

(Pointing at Fraud and snickering)

 

Why dont you head up there and see for yourself. They have open days at the facility three or four times a year

 

I know what goes on there. 3 million watts bounced off the ionosphere, last time I checked. Hurricane Sandy was the last great invention. The floods and the jet stream swinging wildly all over the place is the effect.

 

Well just think the fabulous story you could tell if you actually went to the place. People might even believe you

 

RF energy doesn't bother the jet steam......<eyeroll>..it ionizes the upper atmoshere where Aurouras live,Hence the name...

Still pointing and laughing

 

Source, please.

 

Whole bunch of "source" information from the original patent holder that developed the technology for ya boss (if that's what your truly interested in). READ, instead of running interference. Got a specific inquiry? READ.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/war/haarp_weather_modification_electromagnetic_warfare_weapons

 

There's nothing in that blog about bouncing 3 million watts off the ionosphere. Is this yet another of your baseless claims?

Lots of fear mongering and speculation. Where's your evidence, boy?

 

Well, your interpretation and translation of the information leaves much to be desired but, I expect no less. What you're fishing for (continually) is for me to articulate some point so that you can reinterpret it, or pick it apart in some fashion. You're not really interested in the information. You're interested in attacking me. I get that.

So boss, why not give it a rest and read for yourself, cause I realize your agenda for what it is, and I can't take you seriously when you say "cite' anything. You're not interested in the topic, or the point raised. Your only interest (any more) is flame baiting me.
Isn't that right boss?
Now, I gotta run cause I'm "in between flights" (again).

 

You made this claim. You failed to support it with evidence.

Now you whine and run away again, boy. Wouldn't it be easier for you to just not post the lies in the first place?

 

Back in that stall again?

 

Compared to a hurricane, 3.6 MW is not a lot of power. In fact, it's more than 10 million times less.

Since HAARP clearly hasn't been running for 10 million hours, your suggestion seems to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

Can you name any demonstrable system at all that you can put in 1 unit of energy and get out 10 million units of energy? Energy companies all over the world are waiting with baited breath for you answer.

 

I disagree with the conspiracy theory, but I'm curious: what 3.6 MW can do if bounced off the ionosphere? Any effect of importance? If any, what kind of effect?

 

Your question doesn't contain enough information to answer. It's like asking, "What can 4828 horsepower do if bounced off the ocean?" Watts are a measure of power. This is the rate that something can do work. It alone doesn't tell us what that power can do.

Regardless, your question seems to have an inherent concern about energy being bounced off our ionosphere. Think about this: A megawatt is 10 to the sixth power. The total output from the sun that hits the Earth every second averages out to about 1.740 x 10 to the seventeenth power. That's 1.361 kilowatts per square meter. It takes the sun months to build up enough energy in the oceans to generate a hurricane.

 

The earth has a an ionosphere for a reason. The folks at HAARP are also playing with it and the ionosphere for a reason. Some folks think that it is already at least partially damaged and many say that the high altitude atomic testing done has done major damage to it. What you're doing is literally bouncing energy off of it (in one application of HAARP) back to the earth in the form of ultra low frequency waves. Suggestions are that earthquakes can be manifested at where they're already likely to occur. Weather manipulation is another application of this technology. Basically, you're redirecting energy where you want it.
Notice how your question is sidestepped?

 

Pertaining to you? Yes..I'm back in the stall. I don't know why I waste any time at all conversing with you but yes, I'm done with you again. Conversing with an untruthful one is pointless, except for entertainment. Bye boss.

 

Mebbe the recent cool weather is due to the sun gettin' ready to flip it's polarity?

Sun on Verge of Massive Flip
August 07, 2013 > Our sun is about to make an enormous flip.

 

Some folks have no clue what they are talking about. Ignorance sure does breed a bunch of wacky ideas.

The ionosphere is a product of the sun's radiation and the Earth's magnetic field. It is not damaged by "bouncing" energy off it. Beyond that, HAARP doesn't do anything that doesn't already occur naturally on a MUCH MUCH larger scale. The claims about HAARP and the weather or tectonic activity are like saying you can throw a rock in the ocean and make a tidal wave anywhere you want in the world. That would be ridiculous because the rock simply doesn't have enough energy to have an effect. Neither does HAARP.

3.6 MW is less than 5000 horsepower. The average cruise ship can generate over 50,0000 horsepower. Are you concerned by how much energy the average cruise ship puts into the ocean? Are you concerned about how much they all put in combined? You shouldn't be. I'm not.

Notice how your word salad doesn't answer it either?

 

Basically you're full of bull as well..RF energy can't do these things...

 

Do your technical mumbo jumbo to someone else. I know all about HAARP, as I've researched it quite intensely. Like 911. you're going to tell me everything's just hunky dory and there were no causes for suspicion. I allow myself to get sucked in by you for reasons I regret. Bye.

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Oh, but they can. The original patent holder says so, and I'll take his word over yours Lonely.

 

Cite the 'original patentholder' then Fraud,Or will you run away again?

RF energy can't do what you claim,period

 

Yeah, I can see why you don't want to talk about science. Science has nothing to do with your theory.

Have you been there?

Perhaps you should be more careful who's advice and opinions you take. I'm not asking you to subscribe to my opinion. I ask you questions you can't answer because the bone heads that put ideas in your head can't answer them either. And that frustrates you.

The so called "patent holder" is typically claimed to be Bernard J. Eastlund who received a patent for a device that is nothing like HAARP.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...d=PTXT&s1=4,686,605&OS=4,686,605&RS=4,686,605

Bernard's technical "mumbo jumbo" is as follows

H.A.A.R.P. (as RWF so nicely reported) puts out 3.6 x 10 to the 6th watts. This is far below the discussed power output. But even beyond that, think about how hurricanes are generated and the amount of energy it would take to influence that process in some significant way. Hurricanes have 10 million times more energy than is output by H.A.A.R.P. It's just not enough energy.

Another thing to note is that the signal needs to be transmitted at an angle to the magnetic field line, Rather than a facility that is 1000 feet to a side like HAARP, in order to generate this angle the facility would need to be 14 miles to a side. In order to handle the power that Eastlund is suggesting, the array would not be 180 antennas like H.A.A.R.P. it would be a million antennas. It's so funny to me that CTers would wave around a patent they don't understand that clearly disagrees with the claims they are making about H.A.A.R.P.

So to use another illustrative example, this is like claiming that merry go rounds are a conspiracy to slow down the rotation of the Earth. Yeah, a spinning merry go round does affect the spin of the Earth due to the conservation of angular momentum, but the amount is so ridiculously small it's laughable to be worried about. H.A.A.R.P. does interact with the ionosphere (that's its purpose) but it certainly doesn't harm it in any way, and its affects on things that impact the weather are so minuscule it is downright stupid to be worried about it.

 

I already did Lonely..it's in the link. Tell ya what. It begins with an E. Now read instead of running interference.

 

Pssst ... Fangbeer just blasted your claim to hell. I know you'll continue to ignore it. Run away, 'Fraid.