Halt Covid Vaccine, Prominent Scientist tells CDC

Which "science" of his is peer-reviewed? Something related I just found:

The website debunking Dr. Bridle's covid-19 vaccine claims has been updated with lots of peer-reviewed science that attests to the safety of vaccines. https://byrambridle.com And for those who think I made or organized this website: nope. But grateful to the scientists who did.​

https://twitter.com/DFisman/status/1399431737529208836

So, if you like peer-reviewed science, you should love that page, which of course is the same one I linked to you earlier.

 

You don’t like peer reviewed science...

 

EXACTLY I agree


now speaking to Vader

And that is the role of Censorship - The removal of content from public Purview

And to advocate for Censorship is to tacitly accept the FACT that you are
Incompetent and Intellectually unable to reach YOUR own conclusions and
must therefore surrender to Authority, YOUR Rights & Freedoms to access
certain data that might offend those Authorities.

The question YOU should ask yourself Durandal - Is This - Who are YOUR Authorities ?
Who has decided that YOU and/or the GENERAL POP. are NOT Competent and should.............
................................. no longer have access to - the rather Disturbing Conclusions reached
............................................................................... by a Bona Fides PHD Viral Immunologist ?

And for what reasons have they decided that ? - And for what reasons have YOU
thought that surrendering YOUR Freedoms to these Coprophageous Scoundrels
.................................................................................................................... was a Good Idea ?.?

Reasonable Questions Don't Chaa THINK ?

 

Here's some stuff you should check out.

MEDICAL JOURNALS CORRUPT TO THE CORE!
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/medical-journals-corrupt-to-the-core/

Perspectives on the Pandemic | "The Illusion of Evidence Based Medicine" | Episode 13 Remastered
https://off-guardian.org/2021/04/20/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic-13/

Here's a transcript of the above video in case it goes off-line.
https://www.thepressandthepublic.com/post/the-illusion-of-evidence-based-medicine

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798

 

No.

 

According to these two doctors peer review is under the same control that the media are under. Start watching at around the 31:45 time mark.

Dr Tenpenny and Dr. Lee Merritt - The Medical Industry Has Now Been Weaponized
https://ugetube.com/watch/dr-tenpen...jAx9FcI07J2_8SNQwJZo5hNpWOsRrWCfU8vFu11MByDBQ

 

No.

 

OOOOoOpps - Iv'e put Vader into a LOOP

 

I'm channeling Adam West on Space Ghost: Coast To Coast

 

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I-N-T-E-R-M-I-S-S-I-O-N

 

It's an interesting article, and nice that it provides links to several scientific sites, from which the article gathered its data. Also, it contained ample quotes, from those sources. For those who want to save a step, & go directly to the Salk Institute's report, which was shorter than I would have guessed:
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/t...protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/

The idea of stopping all vaccinations, however, was that of your naturalnews site, not the Salk people. In fact, though it was not presented as clearly as one might have hoped, the Salk paper specifies that the spike-protein in vaccines, behaves much differently than it does when attached to the virus (unfortunately, this is not further explained).

<SNIP>

Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease

LA JOLLA—Scientists have known for a while that SARS-CoV-2’s distinctive “spike” proteins help the virus infect its host by latching on to healthy cells. Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.
<END SNIP>

What made the naturalnews article interesting was its laymen's explanation, because it included some basic info, not in the Salk paper, that changes my understanding of how the vaccines work. Of course, the standard medical community's description-- vaccines introduce the spiked-protein, w/o the virus, so that your body can learn to recognize it-- leaves out the WAY our bodies, "learn." I knew that the mRNA vaccines caused one's cells to start producing the spikes. I had assumed that these spikes would be expressed, attached to the outer wall of the cells; so our immune system, upon recognizing them as foreign, because of the spikes, would destroy our own cells, which had been infected with the vaccine. I had also assumed that the Jansen (J & J) vaccine, only differed in the manner in which it caused these spikes to be produced, by our affected cells: not involving our cells' mitochondria, I thought I had read (this is the vaccine, for which, I opted).

Provided it is accurate, the news site says that these spike proteins are actually released, from our vaccine-containing cells, into our bloodstream. This would have been concerning to me, had I previously known this-- it means these foreign substances would continue to be produced, even after one's immune system had begun making antibodies against it.

Of course, I'm finding this out, from naturalnews, at the same time as the Salk Institute paper, much more ambiguously than I would have liked, suggests that, when the spikes result from a vaccine, they are not as much of a concern, because, "they behave very differently." But they do NOT say, that they or anyone else has done a study, similar to theirs, using these vaccine-sourced, spiked-proteins; so the inference that, different, equates with, harmless, may be only a medical assumption, w/o an adequate basis.

 

Maybe she's transgenderly prominent with a bulgy crotch in an elementary school bathroom?

 

Nope, no diagnosis for me. I work at it, and my immune system seems robust. Friends all around had it, but I missed it somehow.

I've simply been paying attention for the last 15 months. The story doesn't add up, it is contradicted by all the facts, and more importantly, those in the medical profession who've spoken out with the truth have been condemned in the mainstream media. THAT is the big clue regarding a false narrative. Some of us understand that, and others likely never will.

 

German or French, no matter. You are seemingly offended, cannot handle, a scientist speaking the truth that counters the official narrative.

 

Thanks for the civil response. I just detect we have different biases when dealing with specific authority sources. That is all I meant. I get you do not trust what you read but I just think it sounds a little too intense when you respond to infer anyone who disagrees with you is being duped.

 

Well now I disagree and will try explain why later, but may I commend you on a well written explanation of your side of the debate. No animosity, clearly reasoned, precisely worded. Well done. Some people still do appreciate the art of debate. You clearly do.

 

I will try respond to the above concern but invite others with a better handle on explaining it to do just that

1-COVID-19's spike protein was identified nearly 20 years ago as a potential vaccine target during the development of the SARS vaccine;

2-the use of mrna in specific Covid 19 “vaccines” is a process that creates a genetic sequence to teach our cells how to make a piece of the spike protein that’s on the surface of SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 and once that piece of spike protein is produced, it triggers an immune response inside our bodies and it is that immune response which produces antibodies, which then teach our body how to recognize and destroy the virus if we become exposed to it in the future;

3- That mRNA in fact stays in the cytoplasm, where the ribosomes are - it does NOT enter the nucleus and cannot interact with your DNA or cause any changes to the genome;

4-The above spike protein introduction process has been used to successfully develop vaccines for:
a-Human Papillomavirus Virus;
b-hepititis B;
c-Ebola;
d- Rabies in dogs and cattle.

10-In regards to your specific concern that spike proteins are released into our blood stream continuing to create foreign substances-the process we are talking about produces a protein shell with spike proteins but has NO viral RNA inside so no the process is unable to actually infect cells or replicate.

To be even more specific when the spike protein is injected in to a muscle, and the muscle’s cells take up the mRNA and make the spike protein and so your body creates a strong immune response to neutralize the spike proteins before they can cause any harm. There is no virus or anything else replicating throughout the body.

 

An impressive explanation for all of this. Thank you!

My wife and I were personally scheduled to take the Pfizer vaccine on May 26, 2021 but I read some about the Spike Proteins and cancelled my appointment first.

Then I found a video by Dr. Simone Gold, sent it to my wife, and she cancelled her appointment for the vaccine as well.

I prefer to wait until more information comes out as to whether or not my employer demands that I take the vaccine or be terminated....... and whether or not I will be free to travel to other provinces in Canada if I am unvaccinated before I again seriously consider taking the thing??????

 

I appreciate your attempt to clarify things for me, but I do not feel any closer to the truth. I must ask, first off, if you read, not just the Salk Institute paper, but also the naturenews report, about that, & other, scientific findings (these are found not in the OP, but in this thread's first reply). If not, it may be difficult for you to understand my questions.

To recap from my prior post: I had one, partly assumed, view of how the vaccine worked (because general, scientific descriptions are not specific about this and, in fact, your re-explanation did not really focus on the salient points). I had believed that the spiked-protein, produced by my cells, would remain attached to those cells, until my immune system attacked those cells, eliminating both the spiked protein and the source for the building of any more of them.

The two new sources in this thread, supplied me with two, new pieces of information, one of potential concern, and the other one possibly allaying that concern. The naturenews article is the first, and only, place I have seen it stated that our cells, affected by the vaccine, actually dump that spiked protein into our bloodstream, and continue to do so, apparently ad infinitum. I would note that your explanation does not directly address this first question, of mine, though I felt you were implying that this new information (to me), was correct.

As I'd said in my original reply, while it would be nice to know that the vaccine was not causing my immune system to attack my own cells, producing the spiked protein (which seemed to support the established fact, that an immunization can lead to the development of an autoimmune disorder, which is how a doctor, in this forum, classified thrombocytopenia), it would also be of concern that there was no mechanism (other than ultimate cell death) to turn off the production of this protein. If nothing else, it would mean that a part of my immune system's resources would be forever dedicated to eradicating it.

The other, new piece of information, is that these spiked proteins, while harmful on the virus, even when the genetic material has been removed from the virus (so that it is essentially just a shell, with spiked proteins on its exterior), it is nevertheless perfectly safe, when produced by our own cells, due to the vaccine. The obvious questions, not addressed by the Salk paper, which parenthetically mentions its safety, are:
1) WHY is there a difference between the spiked-protein's harmfulness, depending on its source; it would seem the vaccine-produced version would have to be identical, in order to, "train," our immune system, for responding against the spike, when it is part of the actual Covid virus.

2) How has it been DETERMINED that this spike is completely harmless? This is especially important, given Salk's findings of the much more damaging effect of the protein, than was initially realized.

If you were able to shed more light on any of these issues, I would most appreciate it.

 

Thank you immensely for addressing some of my own personal concerns about the vaccines.

 

We can both thank @Death , or any other member who can point us to the actual answers, regarding these issues.

 

The fact is that we may not know all the affects of this treatment for years to come. That is why FDA approval usually takes 5 to 20 years. This treatment essentially was pushed after about 6 months of testing and not the usual testing starting with animal trials which take 1 to 2 years but direct human trials of which phase 1 and 2 also take 1 to 2 years and why Fauci said the earliest we would have one would be about 1 1/2 years. Caution has been thrown to the wind

 

Perhaps I can help a bit. First, nobody has a complete understanding of the whole process from A to Z. We are making assumptions in some cases based on previous research. With that said, as far as spike protein ending up in the bloodstream it is occurring. One study was able to detect small amounts in the bloodstream of some vaccinees after the first mRNA vaccine injection but not after the second.

When mRNA is injected into muscle tissue as these are, the lipid nanoparticles containing the mRNA (mRNA is just basically like the direction pamphlet that comes in your box of computer desk parts from IKEA—it’s just assembly instructions) enter muscle tissue, lymph, and travel to the liver in the bloodstream. The nanoparticles enter the cytoplasm of muscle cells, liver cells, and cells of the immune system present in the lymphatic system. All cells the nanoparticles enter recognize the mRNA as valid instructions and produce spike protein. Now, we would not expect cells of the immune system to release spike protein into the blood stream like muscle or liver cells. So it’s really not an either/or case with spike protein remaining in cells or being released into the bloodstream—it’s a case of both happening.

After the first dose of vaccine the “free” spike protein exists for a time in the bloodstream before it’s “cleaned up” by the immune system. After the second dose, there are already antibodies present from the immune response to the first dose and apparently they work with the rest of the immune system to “clean up” the spike protein made by cells before it accumulates enough in the blood to be detectable. We would infer then any potential danger from vaccine induced spike protein would occur shortly after the first dose. We aren’t observing any problems.

Now to address whether spike protein is produced indefinitely. Short answer—no. The cells of our bodies have degradation pathways that routinely break down mRNA that has passed on it’s instructions. Even mRNA produced by our own bodies has an average half life of 10 hours. But “foreign” mRNA is recognized and degraded even faster by degradation pathways that have the sole function of disposing of non human or damaged human mRNA. The mRNA from vaccination is completely gone/inactivated within a couple days. Once the instructions (mRNA) are gone, no more spike protein can be produced.

As per above, the production of spike protein is turned off by the natural process of mRNA destruction in our cells. I’m not aware of cells targeted by vaccination being attacked by the immune system. They seem to have normal functions as they degrade the mRNA effectively.

I’m not aware of any “proof” spike protein from vaccination is 100% safe. We just have bits and pieces of evidence that it isn’t harmful and no real evidence it is harmful. Most side effects of the vaccine are immediate, short term, and a function of the vaccine adjuvant effects on the innate immune system. If spike protein was causing problems we should see some evidence a couple days to 2-3 weeks post vaccination. After the 3 week or so mark the spike protein is undetectable so probably not harmful.

Hope this helps. I want everyone to have the best information available so they can make good decisions for themselves on vaccination.

 

There does seem to have bewn taken, a calculated risk. I'm just trying to figure out how much of one.