Hang The Russians, Hang The Russians

Well I do not know why you are saying this to me because I have said nothing about US propaganda, rather Russian.

In the East although a majority speak Russian as first language a majority are not Russian.

If you started looking at this from the position of the Ukrainian people rather than your Pro Russian Propaganda then you would begin to see a different picture. For a beginning about 2/3rds of the people want to remain united with the West and that includes Donetsk. You however have no interests in the people there. You simply want to encourage Russian domination. Not much point in giving you information as you ignore it and yet answer as if something which was not said was said.

An interesting article by

The article

rest here http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...raine-russia-new-pawn-201442445516564664.html

The Ukraine interim government has already said it will grant the people of East Ukraine referendum exceeding the US's expectations I believe to also include the option of being a federal state but the people of Eastern Ukraine are not going to be allowed that choice.

You speak Russian I think. Here it is then

http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2014/04/23_a_6003217.shtml

and here for what it is worth a google translation

http://translate.google.com/transla...2014/04/23_a_6003217.shtml&edit-text=&act=url

A Russian on a different forum gave the headline as 'Obama you should shut up' but even his translation was difficult to read.

This is the creepy self appointed Mayer of Sloviansk in the declared regardless of the wishes of the inhabitants Donestk Republic. He speaks of much destruction to come and that they have no intention of allowing the elections of May 26th. He admits having seen the body of Vladimir Rybak in their possession. Toleration of opposing views will be nil.

The Guardian also deals with this man's murder which according to Kiev has Russia's full support.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-patriots-russia-support-kiev-vladimir-rybak

I fully expect you to approve all this Jeanette but to some of the people who are supporting these people in the East who clearly are terrorists, think again.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=352689&p=1063818342#post1063818342

 

Well, it's a question of whether they are "dependent" on Moscow or merely manipulated by them. I'd go with the latter.

That being said, the western part is manipulated by the West.

 

Ukraine is dependent on Moscow. Actually Russia had subsidized Ukraine thirty four billion dollars in the past four years. Eleven billion of that was because of a trade deficit with the E.U. It seems to me the E.U. wasn't helping out Ukraine at all, only Russia was. Was it because Yanukovich was leaning towards Moscow and had renewed the agreement for the Russian port at Sevastopol?

The U.S. should have realized that Russia didn't build up its Eastern Mediterranean fleet these past years just for appearances, obviously it was to protect Russia's interests. Since that fleet is controlled by Sevastopol, then the annexing of Crimea should have been expected. Who is running our State Department anyway, idiots?

 

Manipulate how?

It's the USA top officials who have consultations with Kiev imposter authorities.

As for who's dependent on Moscow.. The EU and Ukraine. That's who. Because they put themselves in that position. Necessary infrastructure maintenance isn't even being done, let alone improvement (short-term frakk exploitations don't count).

If you're in need of a cold war, try to be finished with it and resume being peaceful by August or September at the latest... If your cold war goes on or goes hot, your winter will be cold.

 

Russia is no threat to USA. EU in Ukraine is a threat to Russia. Putin's successor will continue the same as long as geopolitics of containment of Russia will be in place. Putin is exactly a right leader for Russia.

 

The EU in Ukraine is no threat to Russia.

 

Yeah sure. It just brake all industry links, just one more NATO member right on the boundary and just 40 millions country which given under new ideology of hating Russians. Nothing special. Not a threat definitely.

 

The USSR lost the Cold War and no-one attacked it, why the fear of the EU? The problem is this sick nationalism being fluffed by pro-Putinites. The Olympics were not meant to be used as a tool to increase internal nationalism (like the Nazi Olympics was), it was actually meant to help integrate the world together, not draw battle lines and exert dominance through fear. The majority of the Ukraine spoke in Kiev, the pro-Putinites in the Ukraine have shown themselves to be stuck in the Cold War mindset. The war is over guys... don't start a new one for such silly reasons. If think about the age of these people, they were born no later then the end of the Cold War, and so most of them are probably too unevolved to deal with the repressed disappointment for being beaten in the Cold War. Putin is just 'using them' as cannon fodder to get as much out of them as he can. Shame people end up getting hurt over this B S.

 

Iraq's alleged WMDs were in the news as well, smart guy.

Are you a paid shill?

 

According to corporate media which doesn't need to give any decent proof to their consumers.

 

Do you have an idea of what is the war?
Remember the times of the ancient kings. One king has a group of settlements gets 'taxes' from the people from there. The other king leaves nearby and has his taxpayers. Both kings have an army of friends and mercs. If one wants to fight another they meet at the battlefield. In some cases to prevent the bloodshed they fight each other and the winner gets the tax from the defeated. In this best case noone is attacking the villages.
But in the most advanced times an advanced king would hurt the economical base of the rival. This would make it impossible to hire the important mercs and provocate this king to a battle in unfavourable conditions. This is mean. But that's a war.
The most advanced wars are limited by rules of war that prohibit to shoot at peaceful people. So the trend remains.

This means that the war doesn't presume attacking the people, but it is always against the rulers and for the resources. If you now look at what is happening you would notice that it was US that attacked Ukraine and is now using their vassals in Kiev in order to use the territory and people for its aims. And US is already at war with Russia as long as it is using its propaganda against Putin and 'pro-putinists'. The only question for now is when the nuclear weapons will be used. When and who is going to use it first to better his situation in the battlefield.

As for USSR - there was a war. There were reports from US CIA and books of how the US won the war. USSR had a weak but wide economy. It's main weakness was it's giant size that made a non-market and 100% state economy impossible to mantain. Without reliebale systems of mantaining and active war against this type of economy from the side of capitalists USSR lost. It's political system was destroyed. It's territory was split and shared between the vassals of the winners, its markets were conquered it's allies were remade into allies of the winners. What else could have been done to it? Killing millions of russians? That didn't make any sense. Besides, Russia before Putin was decreasing and naturally killed by cigarretes and propaganda of alcohol that were driven by the army of propaganda that initially crushed the state. The blood of those russians who died is at your hands whether you know of it or not.

Putin restored an independent state in Russia. He doesn't obey the orders from White House and you will not be able to see russian officials ever grouped like this:


This is what the US fights for. They want to make us slaves. They don't want any freedom for russians. Not the freedom to pray to God the way we like. Not the freedom to use our language. Not the freedom to make our own decisions about the status of our territory and state. So if Putin is killed today - tomorrow I will support a new government in its nuclear attack on US. If it is considered necessary by them. But I will not become an american myself. Russia is not weaker than Syria or Afghanistan. We will fight and we are fighting. It's not us who invaded. ANd it's not us who should back off now.

 

Look deeper my friend, seek the real truth.

What if I told you that you were mistaken? Would you change your mind if you found out you were wrong?

Nuclear war!? really, lol... yea right like that is an intelligent course of action (not). Consider the odds of your bet's against the veracity of your truth, not your emotional response to some imaginary fiction.

 

I would ask to explain where my mistake is.

Of course I will! There is no point in remaining wrong since you have seen the truth!

The nuclear weapons which are made for nuclear war and thousands of trained soldiers from both sides that are ready to react for a counterstrike in a given amount of seconds is not at all imaginary. The only imaginary thing is a belief that all of this was constucted in order to be not used.
I wish I was wrong. I wish the politicians would act as kind-hearted and open. I wish that what they told was coming out to be true all the time. But unfortunately I accept the reality the way it looks, which is quite ugly. And not the way I want it to be, which is quite good as long as I don't want anyone to suffer in my own imaginary world.

 

Well it's not meant to be used to destroy the world, they were used to standoff each other in fear of mutually assured destruction, but sure they can be if needed... but then it would be the end of all life on Earth pretty much. Just imagine if Earth was the only place where life existed ever anywhere! It would be such a waste over something as small as this. No-one is trying to control Russia, but being in a shared world of other nation's means we have to work together. No one nation runs things, and so no one nation should try to take control of other lands. The US, NATO et al do operate occasionally when security is at risk but do not stay... which is what Russia is doing in Crimea and trying to do in Ukraine. I dont know why you said Putin was going to be assassinated but neither that nor Russian occupation or failure to occupy should justify melting and burning all life on Earth in a nuclear war. Dont you agree? Your other answers seemed rationale to me, so I do not understand your eagerness to annihilate each other.

 

This usage theory appeared once the inventors and constuctors of thermonuclear weapons by both sides of the ocean understood what they really have done. Besides, this theory only works once there is a balance. For the moment Russia is not able to outweigh US with all of its allies.

Agree. It would be a stupidity that christians believed in for thousands of years. If I traveled back into history 2000 years ago a minute before the world's destruction I couldn't explain what will hapen better than it already is explained and forseen. It doesn't sound rational at all but it's a fact. Unfortunately men always do irrational things, crimes, murders. That's looks to be our nature. So I agree with you that nuclear war has no sense. But I don't agree that things that make no sense will never happen.

For the latest half a year I cannot see it in the UN or anywhere else.

And what do you think is happening in Crimea? What news do you think are topical there?

You see I understand why Kennedy was accepting the risk of nuclear war during the Carrebean crisis. The base of USSR with nuclear rockets next to the big cities of US was a huge risk. Unacceptable risk. Khrushev as a person was not very rational and he proved himself to be emotionally-driven. At least in public. So I wouldn't really blame those americans who would kill me killing those who would give me a birth. If there was a trial at God's place I wouldn't witness against them. But I would definetely blame those who gradually heated up the relationship between our nation and deepen the hostility. Which will be politicians, businessmen, media magnats and even journalists who knew what they were doing. From both sides, of course without regarding the nationality or citizenship.
Ukraine is not located next to the US. It was not us making a coup in Kiev. Spreading propaganda in a 40 mln nation that is so close to russians is much worse than the propaganda of unhealthy type of Islam on Russian North Caucases. Such a deep wound is lethal for both of our countries. So, there really should be smth else but hostility and blaming each other for living in an imaginary world. But unfortunately it's not us who should negotiate to each other. We would have a solution if it was us responsible. The difficulty is that it should be the guys from the government who need to find a solution. But until the solution is found I don't expect any of the americans to overthrow their government like it happened in Ukraine. Even if I manage to persuade anyone that the current power is definitely putting the country into WW3. Just because americans should protect their country and develop it making it better. And revolting is never ever making it.

 

Uh-huh, welcome. Japan wants many infantry soldiers for a nuclear war.

 

By the way, they honestly will to begin deadly war?

 

I think trout's explanation is the reasoning behind it. The West was assuming that Putin would seize Crimea because of what you just said.

However, in doing so, it puts Russia in an awkward position.

 

Yanukovych is a puppet of Moscow. That's why he was ousted.

You're right that the EU is dependent on Moscow when it comes to energy, however. Hopefully, that will change after all of this.

America has quite an opportunity for exporting more oil and gas to Europe.

 

To be replaced by a puppet of Brussels/Washington instead? What makes him a puppet, other than agreeing with them on certain matters? What makes your unelected puppet better or more justified than their elected one? Why didn't your puppet bother running for office?

Puppet or not, one of those puppets was decided by vote and had the consent of the governed, the other ones did not, and in fact have destroyed every semblance of any chance any Ukrainians ever had to decide their own future. The puppets you support have outlawed the right to peaceful protest and free speech. Aren't these necessary to democracy and self-determination? How can you drive towards change if you can't even open your mouth to speak? And if these methods of protest are not justified and are better off illegal, then doesn't this delegitimize your own power grab, which used the exact same methods of protest (and worse).

If overthrowing someone in a foreign country is okay because you think he's a puppet, doesn't this mean other nations are within their rights to invade and overthrow your own puppet usurpers? That's the same thing Russia have yet to do, but you keep complaining they are doing (without evidence).

Now you haven't answered the question. Claiming that the last president is a puppet is not pointing out any actions that Russia took. You didn't even prove he was a puppet. How have Russia "manipulated" anybody?

Winter's coming sooner than you think, and you may need more than mere "hope" that the only provider keeping them alive will continue to have the charity to continue to give you all the gas you want, even while you make war on their doorstep and antagonize them every chance you get.

My mama taught me one of my favourite phrases.. She said, "don't insult the alligator until after you've already made it past the river."

No they don't. There is no viable system in place. It's not cost effective to ship all that gas across an entire ocean, (oil is a different state of matter to gas, which takes up more volume).. And you need the infrastructure and pipes to deliver it where it needs to go, and even that will take years, not before the first batch of frozen pensioners fill your graves. You don't have that in the slightest. It would take years to build it up, and huge investment, neither of which you have even bothered to get started on, or explain who's going to pay for it, and how, and justifying to the taxpayers that now they have to subsidize what was otherwise provided free, even while their own gas bill is soaring through the roof. Yall are broke, that's the problem in the first place.

At the end of the day, if people want to support the overthrow of democracy, torching of Constitutions, cancellations of votes etc. like these Western puppets did, then they have every right to do so. All I ask is that they cut the charade about "self-determination" and human rights. Nobody is buying it. There's no such thing as a democratic coup de'tat, the whole point of a coup de'tat is because you can't acquire majority support, so must use force. Democracy doesn't occur down the barrel of a gun. If you want to oppress a foreign country's people, so be it, but don't lie and pretend like it's for their own good, when you know it's for your own damm good which is all you care about.

 

Adolf Putin is going to start a new European war.

 

Yep, as simple as that!

I can imagine what would happen in the USA if some terrorists fired bullets in the White House.

These guys would be killed on the spot.

But if such things happen in Kiev, they call it "freedom movement".

But a couple of weeks later freedom fighters in East Ukraine are called terrorists.

It seems that the self-proclaimed "World Government" believes that only they alone have the (God given?) right to decide what is democracy, who are terrorists, and who are freedom fighters.

 

ironic how you think Russian Special Forces illegally in Ukraine and Hamas, are both "freedom fighters".

we see who's side you are on, and its not America's or The West's

 

You are the desperate liar.
Children say 'who doesn't jump then he's a moskal (the word `moskal` is a synonim of `russian`)'.

spelling of their screams: hto ne ska:tʃe, toj moska:l (they repeats it two times on video)