Has the Global Temperature Trend Turned to Cooling?

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  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    You appear to like the political corruption of climate science just fine.
     
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    There was this guy, called himself the Climate Sceptic. He was a real scientist, a physicist.

    Koch thought he could have this guy review climate science and find that it was a fraud. Money exchanged hands, and the physicist did a thorough review of the science. He came to the same conclusion as the climate scientists.

    I imagine Koch stopped throwing money at him.

    Here's the thing, you are projecting, assuming you understand even a little of this. So you're making your own little contribution to corruption.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sounds like a fairy tale.
     
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    That's your job, you're projecting again.
     
  6. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    As I thought; you can't back it up.
     
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    You've asked me to do that before, and I did.

    You didn't deserve it then, and you don't now.
     
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    By some analyses, possibly. I don't think that graph is a good representation though (you know how a tall drinking glass looks more capacious than a wide glass of the same volume). It could well be the area under the graph or something like that. More information needed.
     
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    Interesting story - got any references, data, links, etc to verify it?
     
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    Do do I. But since there isn't any way for me to stop it, all I can do is adapt.
     
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    You appear to be referring to Richard Muller, whose attempts at analyzing temperature data were laughably naive.
    Here's the thing, that's a claim based on no evidence.
    I understand a lot more of it than you do. One always knows who is corrupt by who is trying to stop the other side from speaking. Guess who that is?
     
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    Nope, never backed up. It remains a fairy tale. Move on.
     
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    Here's the UAH original, produced under their NASA/NOAA contract.
    UAH Global Temperature Update for May, 2022: +0.17 deg. C
    June 1st, 2022
    The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for May, 2022 was +0.17 deg. C, down from the April, 2022 value of +0.26 deg. C.

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    The linear warming trend since January, 1979 still stands at +0.13 C/decade (+0.12 C/decade over the global-averaged oceans, and +0.18 C/decade over global-averaged land).
     
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    Ok, let's check back in 2026
     
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    I think this map from Jack Hays post above illustrates the point well; is global warming occurring? Yes, BUT so is global cooling. Assuming some magic number comprised of the average of 12 models is the end-all and be-all on the subject is shaky at best. world temp change.png c
     

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    I've been checking back on hysterical climate change doom claims for 30 years. Where I live, this spring has been the coolest and latest ever recorded.
     
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    La Nina now. And it's winter. Let's compare notes during the next El Nino and summer.

    Don't forget that torrential rain is (almost) as much of a problem as drought and fire here.
     
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    As you wish.
     
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    The real problem is the lack of hydrological infrastructure to make good use of that rain.
     
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    Cooling in Greenland.
    Greenland’s Summers Surprisingly Cooling Over Past Decade…Driven By Natural Oceanic Cycles
    By P Gosselin on 12. June 2022

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    Science Daily here reports: “Climate changes in the tropical Pacific have temporarily put the brakes on rapid warming and ice melting in Greenland.

    Hat-tip: Klimaschau

    Science Daily adds: “A puzzling, decade-long slowdown in summer warming across Greenland has been explained by researchers at Hokkaido University in Japan. Their observational analysis and computer simulations revealed that changes in sea surface temperature in the tropical Pacific Ocean, thousands of miles to the south, trigger cooler summer temperatures across Greenland. The results, published in the journal Communications Earth & Environment, will help improve future predictions of Greenland ice sheet and Arctic sea ice melting in coming decades.”

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    Greenland GC-Net Swiss Camp JJA summer temperatures. Source: Hanna et al, 2020. Temperatures have dropped off rapidly since 2012. Cropped from Klimaschau.
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    More on Greenland cooling:
    Recent Greenland Cooling And Only ‘Limited Retreat’ Of Glaciers Since The Little Ice Age
    By Kenneth Richard on 13. June 2022

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    More evidence surfaces showing Greenland isn’t cooperating with the global warming narrative.
    The notorious “Climategate” e-mail exchanges between activist scientists like Drs. Phil Jones and Tom Wigley revealed how grave a concern it was in 2004 that “GREENLAND HAS BEEN COOLING SIGNIFICANTLY” since the 1950s.

    “…a warming trend occurred in the Nuuk fjord during the first 50 years of the 1900s, followed by a cooling over the second part of the century, when the average annual temperatures decreased by approximately 1.5°C.”
    “…whatever the rest of the Northern Hemisphere may be doing, the part that holds the lion’s share of the hemisphere’s ice has been cooling for the past half-century, and at a very significant rate…”
    “Greenland’s temperature trend of the past half-century has been just the opposite — and strikingly so — of that of which is claimed for the Northern Hemisphere and the world by the IPCC and its climate alarmist friends.”
    “[Greenland cooling] presents these folks with a double problem, as they have historically claimed that high northern latitudes should be the first to exhibit convincing evidence of CO2-induced global warming.” . . .
     
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    Too little human activity to undercorrect for....?
     
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    And we have that. You? You have your endless repetitions of "Nuh uh!". Good luck with that. Has it worked on anyone outside of the cult?

    There's no need to keep demonstrating how ignorant of statistics you are. That fact is well understood by everyone. This isn't a debate. You're demonstrating Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, a person too clueless to understand that they're clueless.
     
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    A fine deflection. And I understand why. Without your really awful UAH model, you have nothing. All of the other data flatly contradicts you. Since you can't admit that, it forces you to ignore all of the good data and pretend that your crap model is the only actual data.

    Was there any point to posting that? I can't see one, other than more deflection.
     

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