Hell is the Invention of the Chruch

LOL .. the Catholic Church does not preach about Hell .. nor does Jack Van Impe I suppose.

Pagans is where some of the ideas about the afterlife come from.

Marx knew well the Opiate of the masses.

Study some history and you will find that the primary concern of most rulers was control of the masses.

Religion was one of these control measures and it was well understood that fear aided the effort.

The reason fear was introduced into Religion had much to do with politics and little to do with God.

 

Quick question here: Are you in FACT a Christian?

 

There are lots of Catholics right here on this forum. YOU speak about Hell far more than do the lot of them.

Please show me the talk of hell on the Catholic Churches website?

Once again, atheist talk about it more than anyone else.

Pagans mostly believe in the lifecycle. Reincarnation.

Basic fact check please.

Which is why his crack pipe has been virtually eliminated? Why the implimentation of his policies required brutality to enforce?

That had these things called Armies for that. Study some history.

Yep, it was so well appreciated that the King of France had to kiss the Pope's butt? Great control technique there?

And of course, with religion comes this thing called a standard. And guess what happens when kings start breaking religious standards? Hmmm ... not so good on the control side is it?

Or the retroactive opinions of atheists.

Certainly one of the two.

 

Indeed .. I have sought out the true message of Christ and follow his teachings.

 

You follow His teachings and yet you accuse Him of sorcery which is forbidden by the Word of God? Really?

 

Lots of folks do not talk about their beliefs.

LOL so the ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, Roman and Greek, ( Not that Each was a large Empire) religions were not Pagan ?

Have you never heard of Elysium ?

You are a funny fellow.

Burning and torturing of folks was the King upholding Religious standards

 

Raising folks from the dead is Sorcery.

If this is forbidden by the Word of God then Jesus should not have done it.

 

Except that you just claimed that we did - all the time.

And I gave you evidence of what the church talks about, and it is not hell, is it?

Who startd the vast majority of the threads about Hell? Why atheists of course. Feel free to check.

Agh yeah, there are Pagan religions, and Babylonian had one of them. So did Egypt.

No, I am entirely unfamiliar with Roman history. Never seen Gladiator either.

It wasn't the ing doing the burning slick. No one says the church has been perfect, but kings did not invent religion, and every King who has overtly attempted to interfere with or twst religion to his purposes has regretted it.

 

Sorcery requires a spell.

God is a miracle. It requires prayer. It miraculous, not a simple spell that any twit can learn.

Do you understand why people doubt your religion?

 

See your own admission here:
http://www.politicalforum.com/4808563-post392.html

 

To better understand the Raising of Lazarus , you need to be aware of the use of Peshar which gives an apparent literal and , at the same time , an encrypted or secret meaning for followers .
There is abundant evidence showing that Lazarus in the Synoptic Gospels and Acts is one of several non literal references to Simon Magus .He was a most extraordinary figure during these times , and after the death of John the Baptist he assumed leadership of the Essenes and later became Pope of the early Eastern and zealot faction of the Christian Church .
At the time of Jesus's ministry , there were many huge differences between the traditional beliefs of Simon and his eastern followers , with the more , liberal , tolerant and Hellenist doctrines that Jesus sought to introduce .
It is far more productive to see the raising of Lazarus ( Simon Magus) as the time when the two opposed factions found an uneasy alliance .The evidence for such an interpretation is complete but this requires knowing about all contemporary sources for the period 20 to 50 AD . These have , as far as possible , been kept away from the public by interested parties , including the Vatican and American Church sects .
This much wider perspective becomes clear once the New Testament is read alongside the Clementine Books and the Dead Sea plus Qumran scrolls .
It is safe to say that practising Christians have been kept totally unaware of these remarkable finds for many reasons but outside the scope of this narrow Topic .

 

hes not catholic he is episcopal. they are not even christians in any conventional sense. if he was ever apart of the catholic clergy he isnt any more

 

I suggest ;

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Historical-Jesus-Ancient-Evidence-Christ/dp/0899007325"]Amazon.com: The Historical Jesus: Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ (978089900732: Gary R. Habermas: Books[/ame]

In my opinion 'hell' is one of the most mistranslated, misused, misunderstood concept, in all of theology and the secular world. Here is an excerpt of an excellent accurate article on the subject;

" In every instance in the Old Testament, the word grave might be substituted for the term hell, either in a literal or figurative sense. The word being a proper name should always have been left untranslated. Had it been carried into the Greek Septuagint, and thence into the English, untranslated, Sheol, a world of misconception would have been avoided, for when it is rendered Hadees, all the materialism of the heathen mythology is suggested to the mind, and when rendered Hell, the medieval monstrosities of a Christianity corrupted by heathen adulterations is suggested. Had the word been permitted to travel untranslated, no one would give to it the meaning now so often applied to it. Sheol, primarily, literally, the grave, or death, secondarily and figuratively the political, social, moral or spiritual consequences of wickedness in the present world, is the precise force of the term, wherever found. "

Read more @ ;

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html

My personal opinion (you decide for yourself after reading the biblical evidence) is; for the most part Hell, the lake of fire, the place of everlasting torment, is reserved for the devil and demons, i.e. his angels. Can men be converted after death to demon or be temporal (real life) demons? That is the subject of my next thread.

Rev A