"Help us god, help us Jesus!", cried the innocent children (....in vain.)

Despite the pleas to spare their lives from a senseless slaughter that they saw taking place in front of them, god/Jesus steadfastly REFUSED to lift even a finger in Connecticut....if he can help you on your, say, upcoming math test - so you pray to him, then of course he could simply jam the gun of the gunman. Obviously.
So my question to you is: if god/Jesus is this absent (like Thor clearly was, like Wotan clearly was, like Zeus clearly was, etc.) why would you think that YOUR MUNDANE prayers (pray so you do well on your upcoming job interview, etc.) would be answered by this either non-existent or clearly uncaring myth? Unless you think that god/Jesus is so stupid to not be able to PRIORITIZE between the pleas of innocent little children being senselessly slaughtered en mass and, say, you praying for your new garden to grow well. If he's that lousy at simple prioritization (not even the level of a person with Downs Syndrome), then he's obviously not all-knowing, or doesn't exist, so the Bible is clearly wrong.

If you're a bit confused as to what you should believe or not believe, then rely on this axiom: "when in doubt, put your faith in science."

 

You have fair points, but I think your thread title is a bit tasteless.

 

I see your point if you think I'm faulting the children, but I'm NOT faulting the children for pleading to Jesus, just pointing out how heartless Jesus is, or that he's simply a myth. The children believe what they are told by their parents, regarding religion.
It STRONGLY points out just how uncaring "Jesus" really is. I bet every forum member, hearing that exact plea in that situation - "Help me Incorporeal!" - would have helped them out, had they had the supposed ability of "Jesus"....that's because they are more moral than Jesus. Clearly. Jesus doesn't exist.
I grieve for the children.

 

Before you blame "nature's God" for some CIA psycho-drama blood sacrifice, maybe you should review our cruelty, viciousness and treachery:
[video=youtube;omnskeu-puE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE[/video]
[video=youtube;F3_EXqJ8f-0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0[/video]

 

Valid point. We, AND Jesus/Allah can use some improving.

A starting point would be to ditch religion, because it usually teaches hatred towards non-believers. A modern Secular Humanists approach would be best, and the most loving.

"cruelty, viciousness and treachery": Here is a link to an INCREDIBLE 1310 (yep, 1310) instances of violence and cruelty in the book about Jesus:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Here's a minor sampling from that sick book:

Jesus makes war. Revelation 19:11

Jesus' clothes are dipped in blood and his secret name ("that no man knew") is "The Word of God". (I bet you thought it was Jesus!) Revelation 19:13

With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. Revelation 19:14-15

"Come ... unto the supper of the great God." An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon the flesh of dead horses and human bodies, "both free and bond, both small and great." 19:17-18

The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh." 19:20-21

God will send fire from heaven to devour people. And the devil will be tormented "day and night for ever and ever." 20:9-10

Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15

All liars, as well as those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8

 

Your post is tasteless. The bodies weren't cold and the atheists were already out trying to profit from this event. Trying to shut down hope and truth and trade it in for...science. Not so you can save souls...but so you can simply get more people to think like you. Its a selfish act.

And a ridiculous quest.

Those children are with God. Their parents are grief stricken and lonely for them. But God does have them and they are safe. You think that your life begins and ends on this earth. It doesn't.

 

If Richard Dawkins had your "gods" supposed abilities, he would likely have seen to it that they didn't join him for say another 80 years or so, that's because he's less cruel than this entity you worship is. Sorry, but it's true.

I noticed that you DIDN'T refute the claim I made that Jesus/god COULD have prevented this tragedy by simply answering the please/prayers of the children in the classroom at the time.

Who should be BLAME for this tragedy? How about the people who had the express ability to stop it? ie the gunman and Jesus/god.

 

Again, please understand that I grieve for the children, and am not ridiculing them for praying to Jesus, I'm only talking about JESUS' response. I'm not insensitive enough to condemn the children.

 

YES, to see the TRUTH....a very noble quest. The truth is that Jesus is about as reliable as Santa.

 

What's real interesting is that there have been a ton of posts on this Newton issue since it happened, by theists, and not one person can give a reasoned explanation why a supposed all-loving, all-powerful entity who can answer our prayers didn't intervene when prayers to him were uttered when people's lives where on the line (by innocent children no less.) The focus is all about the insensitivity of atheists, etc., but no explanation of Jesus' obvious lack of compassion, or his absence.

 

But a lot of kids were saved so things worked out according to plan (God's will). Truly innocent people don't die young.

Job 4:7 (CEV) = No truly innocent person has ever died young.

 

There are Bible explanations for it but they are harsh and believers are uncomfortable with having to defend them.

Start with Job 4:7 (CEV) = No truly innocent person has ever died young.

Remember, only 20 kids were killed. So if that verse is true those were the ones who were not innocent. They were guilty and got punished. God saved the truly innocent kids because they weren't hurt (other than emotionally).

Consider Wisdom 3:10-12 (CEB) = The ungodly will get what their evil thinking deserves. They had no regard for the one who did what was right, and instead, they rose up against the Lord. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Those who have contempt for wisdom and instruction will be miserable. People like this have no hope. Their work won’t amount to anything. Their actions will be worthless. [SUP]12 [/SUP]They will marry foolish people. Their children will be wicked. Their whole family line will be cursed.

Wisdom 3:16-19 (CEB) =
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The children of adulterers, however, will come to nothing. The seed of people who have sex with others in violation of the Law will dry up. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even if they live to old age, their lives won’t amount to anything. In their old age they will have no honor. [SUP]18 [/SUP]If they die young, they will have no hope or comfort on Judgment Day. [SUP]19 [/SUP]The family line of those who don’t do what is right will come to a bad end.

So the kids were doomed because they had rotten parents. It's all in the Bible.

Wisdom 4:3-6 (CEB) =

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Even though the ungodly have many children, none of them will amount to anything. Those bastard saplings will never put their roots down deep or be firmly established. [SUP]4 [/SUP]They may shoot up for a time like trees with lots of new branches, but the wind will shake them with ease, and the wind’s force will uproot the whole tree. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Even before the twigs have had a chance to bud, they will be broken off. Their fruit will be useless. It will never ripen and be fit to eat. It’ll be good for absolutely nothing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Children born of sex outside the bounds of the Law will be called as witnesses against their parents’ illicit sex when the time for judgment comes.

 

Yeah religion sucks and all Jesus named guys are from Trinidad & Tobacco but seriously it isn't polite to use a fresh tragedy to prove a point ( this also goes to the guns issue) .

 

File under "problem of evil".

 

Helps if someone likes to decide wether it is better to eat brown or white chocolate. Helps not if someone likes to become a real scientist and/or a spiritual human being. And I would not know how your anti-theology and anti-spirituality on costs of the feeling of the parents of murdered children could help anyone on planet earth. The only feeling you are producing in me with your words is a feeling of nausea.

 

Those kids were EVIL then, apparently! How disgusting of a belief system Christianity is.

 

I'm not addressing this to the parents, I'm addressing this to those who falsely believe that some dead invisible guy in the sky would listen to their mundane prayers when he obviously won't listen to the prayers of INNOCENT CHILDREN WHO ARE ABOUT TO BE SLAUGHTERED. I grieve with the parents, am sorry for their loss. The odds of the reading this are slim. This tragedy could have been prevented, if Jesus cared about the slaughter of innocent children, that is, but he doesn't, because he's no more real than Zeus or Mithra or Allah.

 

One of religions biggest faults, clearly. The can't solve it (their god won't even help them!), so it's a lousy belief system.

 

This is a sick thread even by PF standards.

 

Please - you know that you are speaking the worst nonsense only on the reason to try to make other people angry. In case someone would shoot you down I could understand it, if you are speaking in such a extraordinary agressive way with parents of murdered children. Keeps for me the question: Do you like to do ¿extended? suicide on your own? How dangerous are you really? Not to forget - even Heinrich Himmler was edcuated to be a secular humanist - and he was one of the worst mass-murderers in history of all mankind. Lots of Nazi were once so called "secular humanists". I would suggest you should try to minimize your completly senseless agressions. Try to speak with a psychotherapist about your problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS6yuJx46nY

 

You are an agressive idiot - I don't discuss with you in the shadow of 27 graves about my religion. No one is existing and dying on this planet for your amusement.

http://www.youtu.be/6evVMSZDjFY

 

Interestingly, the amount of "free will that God gives us, good or bad to use"...

is EXACTLY EQUAL to the amount of free will, good or bad....that we'd have if God didn't exist at all.

 

It isn't Jesus fault if the parents told them that life was perfect and they would never die.

 

I agree, but to be fair had the school Principle stopped this man before he hurt anyone, some would of gave God credit for that too

many brave teachers in this school deserve a shout out of credit though, many heroes there, sad so many lives were lost

 

Here is my thought on this! You people hate Christians! You cant find a way to attack them because they are not terrorists and you fear the Muslim and make excuses for him.

Here you take a tragedy and then try to find a way to attack the Christians.

Sick!