Here is what liberals, socialist, and communist need to understand

Your particular pie will increase based your willingness to grow it. Giving people money to sit on their asses doesn't grow anything except dependency.

 

May I ask what occupation you are engaged in??? Because withholding that answer means I can not answer your post effectively.
In general, if you own a business your workers were educated at the public school system (at tax payer expense) and your products are moved around in public roads paid for by our tax dollars. Etc., Etc., Etc.

 

If you read his many messages you will read him often cursing his parents - whose house he still lives in - cursing that he doesn't get more money from the government, and how he needs more money for his motorcycle, vehicle and other ways he wants to more enjoy a life of no work and pure leisure. I also think he doesn't have any kids by his messages. He also has posted that he takes a heart medicine as reason he should live off the government, a medicine millions of people who work also take -and has posted that his evil relatives who pay for his housing accuse him of being a lazy bum (his words, not mine.)

He has told of his 8 year quest to get on government disability in the sense of his new career goal, or so it seemed to me. Of course, I do not know of his actual level of disability either way.

Living off other people is a lifetime career goal of many people that is increasingly popular, unfortunately.

In short, by his message history your words are wasted on him. His viewpoint, very strongly, is that everyone has a duty to take care of and provide for him. Why? Because he has a good excuse. Maybe a very real one. If you have a good enough excuse, then everyone else is responsible to take care of you. In practical terms, he wants you to go to work and some of those minutes you are working for him to give him the money thru the conduit of the government, which he also generally hates.

Again, this is not a personal attack as I don't know him. He might be one of the finest people alive. Rather, I am only reciting his messages he posts about himself - often.

To some Democrats, the centrix of life is only themselves, not others and certainly not their children. For some Democrats, their core slogan is "Everything for me! NOW!"

 

This is the biggest pile of BS I've seen in quite awhile. So, no one accumulates wealth in this country that does not inherit first.
And, by your ridiculous opinion, Trump would be nobody now without his inheritance. Who the hell made you an all knowing god?

 

Good point. Let's see the OP answer.

In fact, the OP has received public higher education through the military, all through tax payer's money, and he is on SS. He is in no position of criticizing others of being after his money, when he probably collects more SS benefits than he ever paid into the system.

 

It's the price you pay for living in a civilized society. Put away your Ayn Rand nonsense and look at this thing rationally without emotion or hyperbole.
Why don't you criticize the oversized military budget that drains away so much money from the taxpayer? What is the current military budget??? --- about $1 trillion a year. And we all know our military can't fight our wars to complete victory in Afghanistan and Iraq. If you compare the welfare budget to the military budget it's like comparing a pea to a mountain. Please don't be so stupid about this issue. Your taxes would be a lot less if the military budget were slashed by 80%.

 

oversized military budget? Can you send some of that oversized budget to my unit? Our TA 50 gear looks like it's from the civil war. Also, there's been a massive hole in the ceiling here for what I'm told has been 11 years.

Once again, when you find this massive oversized budget, please let us know

 

Damn! I didn't know that. Wow.

 

YES, YOUUUUUU right wingers view receiving the INSURANCE you paid into for your entire working life as TAKING FROM you right wingers. You think that those that paid for insurance SHOULD be stiffed, so YOU can pay lower taxes, aS IS YOUR PERFECT right. You view those trying to get disability as slacking THIEFS. AS they have NOT YET been deemed disabled. This goes on for YEARS and YEARS, while the right wingers hurl insults at you. Then they get to feel superior and moral at you, when in reality, you are haters and pathetic.

Im also sure you think that allowing a room, whilst I do the yards to my ability, and shop, cook and clean up, using my prodigious chef talents, leaves me owing so much that death threats are warranted. That constant telling me I am NOT disabled, and that I am a loser is the perfect right of relatives. That HATING ME IS A natural REACTION. aND THAT I SHOULD SHUT MY MOUTH ABOUT all YOU RIGHT WINGERS THAT HATE ON THE POOR ILL AND DISABLED.

iM SURE YOU PUFF YOUR CHESTS EVERY TIME YOU HATE ON THE WEAK. iT IS sooooo MANLY.

 

I'm not exactly sure of what is meant by the "PLUS" side but we know that inherited wealth, wealth that the heir doesn't have a "right (unalienable/inalienable) of property" to possess (unalienable/inalienable rights are non-transferable), alone creates more wealth regardless of what the heir might choose to do with the money

For example based upon a financial analysis of Trump's own statements on his "wealth" at different times we know that he would have been $10 billion richer if he hadn't managed his own money as a corporate executive and instead would have simply invested his inherited wealth in the S&P 500.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-probably-better-investing-donald-233020366.html

The inheritance itself was generating more money and Trump actually lost money by investing in himself and being the self-appointed CEO of his own corporation because he would have had $10 billion more if he'd invested in the S&P 500 and allowed competent CEO's at the S&P 500 corporations to use his inheritance to generate more money. Trump, by all rational standards, was actually one of the worst CEO's in America and it was his inheritance that was responsible for the growth of his net worth over time. But we don't actually know what Trump's net worth is. There's been at least one financial analysis of Trump that indicates net wealth (assets minus liabilities) minus hundreds of millions of dollars because Trump may have more financial obligations (liabilities) than he has collateral (assets) to cover the obligation. Some have argued this is the reason he didn't release his tax returns because it would have exposed the fact that Trump may actually be bankrupt and living on the cash flow. Who knows for sure. Trump's such a poor businessman that he probably doesn't even know.

Jamie Johnson, an heir to the Johnson & Johnson fortune, explored this in his HBO documentary film 'Born Rich" so it's not uncommon knowledge.

So is there a "PLUS" to inherited wealth? Absolutely because the person starts out with wealth that they don't have a right to possess and that wealth alone generates more wealth. Of note the heir can establish a right to possess the wealth but that actually requires their physical labor and for large amounts of wealth the wealth exceeds their ability to expend labor to establish the right of possession.

 

Military spending is too high and worthy of debate, but it is an enumerated duty of the federal government. Welfare is not federal duty and forced redistribution is immoral.

 

All of it is yours/theirs. Matters not how it was given/earned. Fairness and equality are ideas, not reality.

 

Nothing sadder than someone who wants all the benefits of society with out any of the responsibilities. Weren't you the one who was complaining when Obama didn't give you a social security increase last year?

 

Where do you come off with such nonsense? You do realize that roughly 15% of annual earnings do go toward SS payments and medicare didn't you? If that money were invested in a reasonably safe place at a reasonable return, it's likely to never recoup that money unless you live into your 90's. Don't worry though, this is a common fallacy about ACTUAL life long contributors to the system.

 

I remember some who thought Obama was going to make their mortgage and car payments when they elected him.

 

There is huge difference between legitimate government duties and forced redistribution through welfare. And, schools are primarily a state expense. The federal government has no business in individual needs.

 

That heir does nothing to "earn" the inheritance and does not start out with a "right of possession" to the inheritance. Like all Rights the Right of Possession of Property is an inalienable Right that is non-transferrable by definition.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inalienable+rights

That's been a fundamental problem with the United States adopting the laws of property from England when the nation was founded. The laws of property in England were based upon "ownership" as opposed to the "right to possess" and ownership "allows possession without the right to possess." The property can be transferred but the Right to Possess the property cannot be transferred. That must be established by the person receiving the property.

So we have wealthy individuals that may have earned their wealth but then when they die their heirs, that haven't earned any of the wealth, are given "ownership" without ever establishing a "right to possess" the property. As mentioned the "right to possess" can be established by the labor and actual use of the property by the person.

For example when my father passed away I received title to the land and house that he built for his retirement. I "owned" the house and land but did not have a "right to possess" it. That changed when I moved in making it my personal residence and started to physically maintain the house and property. The labor I expended on the house and land and my personal use of the property established my "right to possess" the house and land.

 

There's the elastic clause in the constitution:

The Congress shall have Power ... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

One of the foregoing powers is stated right there in the Preamble to the constitution:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessary_and_Proper_Clause

 

Words fail me. What about those $700 billion in 2008 to bail ou the banks and those trillions of dollars later.

 

My tax guy was talking to my wife and I about our farm. He said "Ya know, it takes a special kind of person to be a farmer, God Bless you." When I asked him what he meant, he told me that I could have taken the million I have put into my farm and invested it instead, and be pulling down $80K+ a year doing nothing at all. He said thank God that some people love farming, because most of them don't have to actually do all that work.

So, for you to judge me a failure because I could have made more money being less productive, misses an important aspect of what "success" is. I hope you will think about that.

 

How much leeway do you think ERIC, Ivanka and the other Trump have in questioning PAPPA? They seem to be slaves to Trumps opinions on all matters.

They seem almost Stockholm syndrome. My father said that I should KOWTOW for a room. Imagine what Trump makes HIS children do.

No don't, you could go blind, like Cosby.

 

I think we can boil this down to its purest essence, do you still adhere to your first comment,

Or your new outlook on the Beneficial's of inherited money, or do you still believe you should be in charge of family money distributions The fact remains that Trumps initial inherited money was parlayed in to greater wealth regardless if the amount does or doesn't meets anyone's expectation and perceived level of success, he simply RICHER and more successful now then he was at the time of inheritance Far more successful then I am, how about YOU?

 

Bill Gates gained his enormous wealth because he came up with an idea for software that enabled the development of the personal computer. He didn't take anything away from any poor people in doing so,and his creation created millions of jobs for people to increase their own wealth.

He didn't take anything away from anyone. The left likes to claim that wealth can only be created by oppressing someone. Patently untrue.

 

No. I am with you. I have all the money I need. Let's use it for the northern and southern wall.

 

Didn't Ivanka publicly oppose the President's decision to withdraw from the Paris accord?