Here is what liberals, socialist, and communist need to understand

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by logical1, Jun 29, 2017.

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Not true. Based upon the effective tax rates for high income households the person that paid $24 million in taxes that equaled about 17% of their net income so they had a total net income of about $140 million. That person would not have $140 million in income without the protections of the government that they paid $24 million to help fund.

    But let's go one step further. That same person, based upon statistical evidence, is a part of the top 1/100th of 1% of income households in the United States and that top 1/100th on 1% receives well over 10% of all the income generated each year in America. Additionally they're an investor and not a worker. Their income is "unearned income" that they and never worked a single day during the year to actually earn any of that money.

    That did person didn't "earn" a single dime of the $140 million they had in income for the year so the tax is not taking any income they earned from them.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    I think that falls under the "WE DON'T THINK, WE NOT SURE" ownership clause adopted by the leftist decision council ;)
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of this has anything to do with the post to which you responded. How does Donald Trump impede MY path to wealth? How does MY success preclude you from becoming successful?
     
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    Stevew Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, the people arguing in favor of taxes are little more than government lackeys, they might even be bureaucrats themselves attempting to protect their future incomes.

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    Off topic. One wonders why? Perhaps this could migrate to the appropriate thread, or become a wholly different one.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    You can tout all you like Shiva but at the end of the day, it's nunya business what they make or what they are entitled to keep under current tax laws! Go make your own fortune, manage your wealth the way you see fit, have it buried with you. leave it to a dog or cat or whatever you like because it YOURS to do with..

    But sniveling about others success and wealth is just petty jealousy and unbecoming at any level of wealth!
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    I was integrating, in my response, how I could make an argument as equally absurd. However, at the same time, I was giving a example of how single=payer healthcare, hailed a hallmark of socialism and utilized by nearly every other industrialized country in the world, benefits the people and not the robe-wearing capitalists at the pharma and insurance companies.
     
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    You in the right thread or just confused again Balto?
     
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    No you are totally off topic LMAO ;)
     
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  10. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Nice trolling attempt.

    See the response I gave to the last poster who quoted my response to this thread.
     
  11. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The reason I feel the way I do is the fact I and then my wife and I worked for every last penny we have.

    When I left the farm and went to the Navy I had $35 in my pocket that I had earned. I traded 4 years of my life for an education in electronics. It got me a job with a large computer company that I worked for, for 47 years. I worked damned hard, and was on call 365 by 24. I was expected to take call outs at 2 in the morning in a blizzard, and I did.

    Contrast that with perfectly healthy welfare drones that simply wont work at all.

    Bottom line----------------------I WORKED FOR MY MONEY, why should I share it with a lazy drone that wont work?????????????? He or she is not ENTITLED to one damned penny of mine.
     
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    navigator2 Banned

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    No, you are just deflecting and derailing. There are plenty of those threads around, go resurrect one of them.
     
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    So, continues to be off topic. Double down on it.
     
  14. Balto

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    Not really, 1. I was making a point by turning the OP's suggestion on its head by showing how equally absurd of a observation I could make, using the right-of-center extremism, such as nationalism and 2. How a hallmark of socialism, such as single-payer healthcare, helps the people. Not the fat cat capitalists.

    Please, try to focus.
     
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    It's called justifying the means.

    But, quite arguably, when the OP is simply a one-line remark, its hard to derive some sort of conversation without mixing in other elements.
     
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    Same here, but when I first left the nest I was struggling, sgetty "No meat" poor, well unless I had a poached animal. Even with my gut growling my attention was to find better employment not what the guy in the big house was making! The guy in the big house was my inspiration, something to reach for! In fact that guy in the big house, he gave me a better job :)

    I like rich people, they pay far better then the gubmint and their confiscated money and their leftist slave allowances :)
     
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    Because liberals are afraid that if they don't pay the money out that those folks will get unlazy and take it away from them, and their friends....

    And, at the same time, the infrastructure that supports said outlays, then creates the dependency that produces power for liberals.
     
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    Three full pages and no one had any difficulty with the topic until you came LOLOL
     
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    The societal benefits to the taxpayer are the same, regardless of how much, or how little tax they pay. That one takes advantage of those benefits to their benefit, while another does not, is not a disparagement to either.

    You don't get to decide what "earn" means. Is researching investment opportunities and punching buttons on a computer "work". One who operates a shovel may not think so, but the Queen of England might.

    Regardless, all the systems are in place and available for all to use. Any young person in this country can retire a millionaire doing nothing but mowing a lawn, or holding a cardboard sign on Saturdays. The wealthy are not to blame for the poor, in this country. And their wealth belongs to them, and their heirs as they see fit.
     
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    Really OMFGLMAO
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Continues to be off topic. Insists that being off topic is the "right direction".... Laughable...
     
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    Playing chess with a pigeon immediately comes to mind.
     
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    Derail and re-direct, that's considered integration? Who'd of thunk that ;)
     
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  24. Balto

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    Seems the kitty keeps rolling around in its dirty litter box.

    Done with this thread.
     
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    The volitional choice of those who earned it in the first place is what gives you the right to inherit something. If I earn billions I have every right to dispose of or use that wealth as I see fit. If I choice to leave that to my kids than that is their right as an extension of my right to do with it what I wish.

    It is not an issue with capitalism at all it is only an issue with those who are envious of what others have.

    It is true that sometimes people earn great wealth and pass it on to heirs who squander it but in many other cases heirs are expected to earn it through one means or another such as adding to it, or perhaps just proving themselves worthy of it.

    Either way it is no one's business especially the state what one does with the wealth one has earned or who it is given to
     
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