Here We Go Again (The Carter Nightmare)

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  1. edthecynic

    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    Wages rose 4.9% PERIOD!
     
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    Those deaths would be on account of nothing being done. OWS was a joke. The vaccines had been in progress for over 20 yrs and OWS had nothing to do with them. If anything, it was Biden that kept it in place for those logistics your talking about that got the vaccines out but then, what did Trump and his cohorts do? They spread misinformation about the very same vaccines that you're mistakenly giving him credit for.
    I hope he would, that would not be good for him.
    No, we're not, but you're entitled to your own reality.
    I'm sorry, do you know of some country that isn't going through the same thing.
    Well, for one, the vaccine mandates. Most of the shortages are due to the pandemic and the way to get out of that is to get everyone vaccinated. If everyone is vaccinated then we can back to "normal". Another thing is the infrastructure bill, which will fix problems here and hopefully fix them for any future problems.
    I'm not going to go back through all the posts but you most certainly did say that Trump hired the best and brightest but the exact opposite was true. As far as any of them being AWOL during any crisis, most of their staffs were happy if they were. As I recall, if there were any "crisis" in their area, they were usually the cause. Case in point:
    Wilbur Ross
    Alex Acosta
    Patrick Shanahan
    Betsy DeVos
    Ben Carson
    Kirstjen Nielsen

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/04/01/worst-member-trumps-cabinet-bracketology/
     
  3. Lee Atwater

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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't forget the wife beater......https://www.politico.com/story/2018...esigns-after-allegations-from-ex-wives-397407
     
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    how are they in the way
     
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    So they can heal? Explain, please, where the wound is? Markets don't regulate themselves. Markets are there to make money and will exploit anything they can (especially workers) to achieve that goal. That's why gas is so expensive now, that's why the ports are clogged right now.
     
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    They would have occurred while working on vaccines and therapeutics along the typical 5 to 8 year approvals and with nothing in place logistically..........OWS will go down as one of the greatest examples of government private sector cooperation and the lesson learned is give the private sector the resources and incentives and get government out of the way and they will be successful.

    Yea he did and they are begging for more.

    You just making excuses now. Biden came into office with the vaccine program on WARP SPEED, there is nothing he did about that his efforts to take some credit notwithstanding. His job was to get people back into the workplace EARNING money and the economy going. The economy had turned already he had that going. He's done everything and continues to want to do just the opposite of what needs to be done.

    Do NOT put words in my mouth and nothing about Trump excuses Buttigieg and his being AWOL during a crisis in HIS area of responsibility. And that will haunt him when he runs for President again.
     
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    And that make 6% inflation just fine and dandy how exactly? That is not only wiping the gains they have made this year but the pre-COVID gains under Trump.
     
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    No it makes inflation effectively 1.3%, and there were NO pre-covid gains under Tramp, only smoke and mirrors.
     
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    Production of petroleum tracks consumption, the proxy for which is the shipment of product driven by demand. Production followed consumption into a ditch in 2020. The price recovered to the rolling 5 year average as the inventories that overshot were depleted to the rolling 5 year average.

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    The wrong time to play politics with energy supply -- leases and keystone --- was at the point when we were coming out of an economic downturn and could see the light at the end of the tunnel. With Bakken on life support, there was a need for investment to prevent an inflation calamity. Instead, we opted to fill Putin's coffers and hand Americans and inflation bomb by cranking up the risk.

    This was a terrible year for the environment, but I don't believe it was due to fossil fuels. Here in NE Ohio, we could smell California burning last year and were cleaning soot from those fires off our patio tables this Spring. Small fires have always been an annual event during California's dry season. In fact, many trees native to the forests in CA require fire to germinate. Some of those trees are over 3000 years old. What did we do wrong? Years of putting out the fires allowed the underbrush to grow and create a bed of kindling. The fires no longer burn themselves out. They could have allowed lumber operations to thin the woods and clean up the underbrush, but that didn't fly by environmentalists. As we allow illegal aliens across the border to build campfires on their way to sanctuaries, it's hard to pin down the causes.
     
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    This is just more of your original B.S. Here's a simple question: had Biden not gotten in the way of Keystone, how many more barrels of oil would there be in the world's supply line, right now? Answer: 0. Also, by the way, that especially dirty, low grade crude had not even been intended for U.S. consumption: we were just going to refine it, & ship it overseas.

    Second question: with no moratorium on new oil leases, in fact, even stipulating that Biden handed them out, like party-favors, at his inauguration, how many more barrels of oil would America be producing today. Answer: again, 0. So your idea that no more oil supply, would produce a much lower price, is just bunk. That's not the way the market works. The mere prospect of, perhaps, a few more producing wells, ten years from now, is not being reflected in the day to day price of crude, refined oil, or gas. Sorry. This is nothing more than a, "let's blame Biden for everything," argument. The problem with making too many of those, is pretty soon people just start writing them off as bogus, without a 2nd thought. And if then if you have legitimate beef with Biden, you will have difficulty getting any audience for it, other than those others, who already are sure that, "it's Biden's fault," before they even know what topic is being discussed.
     
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    ROFL no price inflation is SIX PERCENT doesn't matter what wages an salaries are doing.
     
  13. edthecynic

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    Wage inflation is 4.9% therefore effective inflation is 1.3%.
     
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    Oil output is catching up with demand, possibly easing prices, a report says.

    The International Energy Agency said Tuesday that oil supplies were catching up with demand, potentially easing upward pressure on prices. The agency, which is based in Paris, said that the oil market remained “tight by all measures but that a reprieve from the price rally could be on the horizon.”

    A drop in oil prices would come as a relief to consumers, who have seen prices at the pump surge by nearly 50 percent over the past year. Home heating bills are also on track to be the highest in years. Higher energy prices ripple through the economy, raising the cost of manufacturing and shipping all kinds of goods, and ultimately driving up prices for consumers.

    Still, oil supply constraints are only one of an array of factors that have pushed inflation to its highest level in decades. Pandemic-driven shifts in work and spending have led to supply-chain bottlenecks, labor shortages and other issues around the world, pushing up prices for many items. Many economists, including policymakers at the Federal Reserve, expect those forces to recede along with the pandemic, but that will take time.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/business/oil-production-prices.html
     
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    Yes those wages gains and more gone due to inflation and you seem all honky dory about it. And my retire savings dollar for dollar worth 6% less.

    Stop trying to put lipstick on this pig.
     
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    If you think the whole thing is so great, why are so many not getting vaccinated? The private sector has proven time and time again that if left unchecked, they will destroy everything in pursuits of a buck.
    Please give an example of him "begging" and prove that we could have changed anything.
    Get the vaccine and things will open. That's always been the plan. People don't so.......here we are.
    An example of that would be........?
    It doesn't matter so no it won't hurt him.
     
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    Ask Biden and Harris that fell onto to them when they asked for the job. How come?


    OPEC+ Predictably Rejects Biden Plea For More Oil Production
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...plea-for-more-oil-production/?sh=263ca5d52acd

    Things are open and begging for workers as a record number quit last month and available jobs top 11M

    Taxes, spending, regulations, energy. Tell me what he has done that has been a success.

    Oh just wait when he runs and the campaign ads come out.
     
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    CA is what the Left would do to the nation if they could: California Gas Prices Reach New Record High.
    They should be pissed.
    From Obama/Biden to Biden, with a season of Trump sanity and prosperity between the madness.
    Back when The Orange Miracle was at the helm gasoline was less than half that price before Demented Biden deliberately attacked our Energy Production Sector.
    It matters who the president is.
    It's deliberate coercion. This faction of the Left thinks that if they keep inflicting us with pain that we will become more docile toward them - and I wonder, do they even know any Americans? Because that is not how we respond to folks who try to control us with abuse.
     
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    Much to the dismay of The Following, who have swallowed the "inflation is Biden's fault" narrative.......

    Rating agencies say Biden's spending plans will not add to inflationary pressure

    Nov 16 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden's infrastructure and social spending legislation will not add to inflationary pressures in the U.S. economy, economists and analysts in leading rating agencies told Reuters on Tuesday.

    Biden has spent the past few months promoting the merits of both pieces of legislation - the $1.75 trillion "Build Back Better" plan and a separate $1 trillion infrastructure plan.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex...g-plans-will-not-add-inflationary-2021-11-17/
     
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    No.......when they won, the right immediately came out against getting the vaccine. They made a health issue a political issue.
    That's "begging". He asked them to increase production and they said "no".
    Ok, wait a minute, first you say we have to open up and get the economy moving and now you say it is open but a record number of people quit their jobs. Open or not...make up your mind. They quit their jobs....why? It's not for "free money", that's been proven wrong umpteen times. Why, because they can get a job somewhere else, like you said 11 million job openings. If you think they are sitting around playing video games or what have you. You have to prove that one,
    The infrastructure bill which you knew, no new taxes, sure, spending to make money, Regulations? what regulations that have stopped the economy? Your just saying talking points without facts. BTW, the whole world is in the same boat so it's hardly Biden's policies that are all to blame.
    Ok
     
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    Biden and Harris had already made it political in the campaign.

    Yes pleading and to top it off they told him to take a hike.

    Seen the Biden stickers on the gas pumps yet?

    I said

    "Things are open and begging for workers ..." And yes it's been about the not having to pay rent and free money from the government which should have end last spring. The LFPR has been falling again after it was making gains under the Republicans pre-Covid.

    I'm giving the facts refute them rather than you simplistic dismissals. And trying to say Biden has no responsibilty to get the economy going because HEY the rest of the world is the same is about as weak as you can get. Then let's get him out of the way and put in someone who DOES know how to get the economy going and people back into the workforce.
     
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    Actually, it's a recognition of the interconnected world we live in. The thing is, despite global supply chain issues (something Biden is addressing in ways in which he can) the economy is doing quite well. Much better since he took over for the Orange Messiah. In part due to Joe's success in launching a national plan to disseminate vaccines and more recently in issuing mandates.
     
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    How so?
    No
    Guess you missed the part about that being debunked over and over, yet you stick to it. People are quitting to find something better. They're tired of being taken advantage of.
    It's a brave new world out there.
    What facts that I haven't refuted have you provided other than by sources that have the most to lose by telling the real facts.
    I didn't try to say it, I did say it, and it's one of those facts that you can't refute. Where in the world economic situation is there a country NOT going through the same things we are.
    And who is this miraculous person!!
     
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    Are you pleading ignorance to what they said about any vaccines developed under Trump?

    You will

    Guess you are ignoring the actual reports and the better jobs are going unfilled.

    What makes it brave when people are not going to work?

    The ones I've been posting.

    Well I guess Biden and his cabinet should all just go on vacation then since it's happening in the rest of the world and according to you that absolves from doing anything here.

    A fiscal conservative business minded person. Let's hope we get a good selection this time.
     
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    Actually it's an excuse for his failure. If the economy is doing so great then why is he telling us he has to make it better with his bloated political payback spending? The vaccine program was already in place and his mandates are on hold. His economic plans are about to stymie the growing economy already in a recovery he inherited.
     

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