Hey Brits, can you probably explain why EU is wrong?

Hey Brits,

you know that I am one of the biggest conservatives on the board and no one can allege me to be a socialist, liberal or leftist. Nevertheless I think the EU idea is not too bad, look, it is better to compete with China or India in more and more global world or to cooperate with other EU-Members. Sure the invitation of the New Members must be stopped, the Entirely European Union should became more conservative and be more closely to the USA, the socialistic experiments should be finished. The EU may never became the new EUSSR, the power of the EU - bureaucracy should be lowered, but, sincerely, there are more benefits as losses. Or I am wrong, please explain.

 

That depends on whose point of view you're seeking. Brits don't all think the same. IMO if you're asking a British taxpayer, worker or pensioner, there are more disadvantages than gains. If you're asking a multinational waving a British flag for convenience, there are more advantages than losses.

We can't possibly compete with China. China has much lower wages and it has no intention of saddling its industries with "Climate Change" legislation. And I disagree with people who think the EU is some kind of socialist utopia. It isn't; it's the worst possible mix of capitalism and socialism, and neither side seems to be keeping much of a check on the other.

How's that for a start?

 

My idea is that all Western countries should be more close together because we are getting to become a tiny minority among giants with skyrocketing birth rates or huge economies. I do not like many things on EU, but we can not survive alone, that's the problem.It is dumb if Brits want to be away from EU, who needs today UK?

The best solution would be if the USA and EU became more closer and more conservative, probably a variant of free market, together we can be stronger as China, India & Co.

 

Only your second post in a thread you started and you resort to insults. I value democracy far too much to support your view.

 

Many Brits probably think we have it wrong: we drive on the right, swear on tv, and, most of all, favor taxing the rich to help the poor.

They want a society where the rich are able to dispossess the poor politely, and without giving any right-of-way

 

Look at three Federal States of

America --- bankrupt .Losing power and global importance

Russia -- Stage one collapse in 1990 . Stage two in front of eyes , now

European Union ---- Bankrupt , and the one strong Sovereign State of Germany will be dragged down with its neighbours as the contagion spreads and deepens .

What shining example do you want us to follow?

 

I can repeat again, it is very stupid if Brits want to leave EU, sorry, it is not an insult, but the Truth.

 

My point of view is that all Western States should survive together, alone we are too weak.

 

The one where the sun never sets - splash:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis

 

But I have just exampled three Federations where exactly the opposite has happened , compared to your aims and hopes .They have or are collapsing .
Could it be that the very idea of Federalism simply develops a new type of social class which is initially stronger and deeper -- but ultimately always becomes corrupt and self serving .
12 years ago when we opted not to be part of the Euro , everybody jeered and sneered and said that the end of the UK had arrived .
Who was right?


Ostap I think you jump to easy and simple conclusions too quickly .
Of course grouping together seems to make obvious good common sense .
The problem is that other and new factors arise when the model is changed
Human greed and selfishness seem to guarantee the fall of the Federation -- a new class of amateurs tasting power for the first time become corrupt .
It has repeated in History since records began .
It should work . But it never does .

 

I applaud the British for standing firm. The Franco/German block should not be dictating British sovereignty

 

You are immediately awarded Honorary membership of the Apostles Club which meets at the Savoy every other Friday evening .
Ask for the Lodge Master and you will receive initiation and introductions to a world you have not before imagined .
Bring spare underwear -- not red though .

 

I t hink a lot of people in the UK unfairly blame the EU for the utter failure of bother Labour and Conservative governments, couple this with the majority of UK press coming from the gutter and you've a recipe for misinformed BS.

Saying that, of course Brits have an Island mentality - THEY LIVE ON AN ISLAND! What do you expect?!?

There's too much misinformation in the UK for your average person to see things objectively.

Eg: We pay the EU too much. Actually theUK contributes significantly lesss than it should (by EU rules) for the size of its economy.

 

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Additionally, most Brits are very much opposed to the CAP, the vast majority of which goes to one country. Why? It's not like the money is distributed to small family farms, far from it; it's distributed to large French farming corporations.

This has always been a huge bone of contention for the Brits. Why is French farming so deserving of this amount of protectionalist / anti-free market subsidy?

I could understand if the purpose was small family owned farms.

 

The UK is still part of the EU, there is no chance of a referendum for years to opt out ,if at all. The main problem now is the Euro. Most of the leading economists have said that its not a case of when it will fail ,but fail it will. When that happens you can say goodbye to the EU for good.

 

And then the same again for the US and the imaginary dollar .
Which prompts the thought that there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow --- America's welcomed demise .

 

Wrong.

We don't care which side of the road you drive on, swearing on TV is hardly unknown in the UK, and you favouring "taxing the rich to help the poor" is fine, but when a political party wants to take even more of my money in taxes, with the EU's enthusiastic approval, I will find another party. I support helping the poor, but the tax take is more than big enough already for it to do that.

 

I think actually it's the other way around, but our governments do have an unhappy knack of messing up the EU's flawed policies. The British public is seriously misinformed, you've got that right!

But the British people don't think we should be contributing anything, the people who voted in favour in 1973 were told they were voting for a trading bloc in a cynical deceit by politicians, so who is anybody else to say we contribute less than we should?

 

That's an opinion that the majority of the British do not share.

That's the insult. Can you explain why we are "dumb? Countries large and small survive perfectly well without being a part of a corrupt, anti-democratic, bureaucracy. Apparently you find this surprising.

 

As Verhofstadt said in the European Parliament today (he refused to speak English, only in the end he used it towards UKIP members): "You only walk away from the table, when you're sure that the others come running behind you to get you back".

 

Does he often babble such senseless nonsense ? ( Probably a friend of Rompy Pumpy)
You walk away from the table when you have eaten enough and/or you don't really care for the people left behind .
If Verhofstadt was clever , he would have changed his own name !!!And he would not have made an idiot of himself ( above) when he said this ( below) just a few days ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Janpoor .You are being silly again .

Guy Verhofstadt, Liberal and Democrat group leader in the European Parliament was not at all convinced:
"The pretence at unity of the French and German leaders disguises their deeper and persistent differences which are proving to be a major obstacle to a definitive solution to the eurozone's troubles.
"Basically they have just agreed a few symbolic measures; that eurozone leaders should meet every month instead of twice a year, that the ECJ can verify that Member States have properly introduced the 'golden rule' on balanced budgets (but not question actual budget planning) and an institutionalisation of the already agreed package on economic governance (6-pack) with its system of automatic sanctions."

 

I believe the phrase is ,
Game , Set and Match .. Janpoor

 

Anyone who supposes the EU is 'socialist' would do better to address the Moon in Lithuanian. Nuttiness is not helpful when it comes to serious matters.

 

You simply can't lay claim to the UK populations thoughts. I'm British and clearly I disagree with you, as do most of my friends.