High court strikes Massachusetts abortion 'buffer zone'

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  1. Pasithea

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    No I am not. You call someone a murderer and you are accusing them of murder. End of story. Plain and simple.
     
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    Pro lifers are not accusing women of doing an illegal act. They only use the word "murder" because that word has more than one meaning. Pro lifers believe abortion is morally equivalent to murder.

    Anybody with half an intelligence can realize that pro lifers are not literally accusing women of commiting a crime.

    True, but pro lifers are not accusing women of doing something illegal.
     
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    At least he's somewhat on topic unlike ol' 'why do you support slavery' over here.
     
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    Pro lifers are not accusing women of comitting the crime of murder. They only use the term "murder" because they believe abortion is morally equivalent of murder. PRO LIFERS ARE NOT ACCUSING WOMEN OF BREAKING THE LAW.

    Ever heard of context? And not taking things literally?

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    At least I am smarter than most people commenting here. I dont mean to brag about my intelligence, but I do realize that I come to conclusions regarding arguements and debates that nobody else can realize.
     
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    So if "pro-lifers" don't believe abortion is murder why are they protesting?




    :) Don't worry, I don't expect an answer....LOL!
     
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    Pro lifers do not believe that a woman is doing anything illegal. One word can have more than one meaning.

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    You are SOOOOO politically correct...
     
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    :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:


    WHY or WHAT are they protesting?


    According to you they don't think abortion is murder(even though many say that's what they believe) and they know abortion is legal....( I know they must have very boring little lives but surely even those idiots have something better to do than harass people who use clinics)....NORMAL people have a reason for doing things...
     
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    i love how you use the word irrelevant. It helps you evade my arguments. Dishonest poster.

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    I agree.

    But show me one example, or at the very least, explain logically, why a person would take a protesters comments 100% literally. You are begging the question.
     
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    You're soooooo intelligent but don't know that yelling murderer at someone is calling them a "MURDERER" and it doesn't matter what the caller thinks the word really means...

    Then you say they don't really mean abortion is murder so they really don't have anything to protest which means they should at least be charged with Abject Stupidity.
     
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    You cannot LIE about someone, calling them murderer no matter what YOU mean...to NORMAL people "murderer" means DUH, MURDERER...

    Slander is LYING about someone....and calling someone who has committed no murder a "MURDERER" is a LIE.
     
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    Why should a woman sue a pro life protestor? because her poor little feelings were offended?
     
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    So if protesters don't think the women are doing anything illegal nor murdering babies.....


    WHY or WHATt are they protesting????
     
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    fugazi said it's irrrelvant what they believe.
     
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    LOL! You're back to that because you can't answer:

    If protesters don't think the women are doing anything illegal nor murdering babies then WHY and WHAT are they protesting?

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    And that has nothing to do with the posts of mine you quoted....I'm discussing this with YOU not Fugazi....scared????
     
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    pro lifers know abortion is legagl.
     
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    So WHAT and WHY are they protesting? And again, you fail to read the posts of the many "pro-choicers" who call abortion murder.

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    So WHAT or WHY are they protesting?

    If it's legal it isn't murder and if it isn't murder then they are LYING (those immoral liars) when they call a woman murderer....


    I guess your problem is you approve of lying....
     
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    obvious troll is obvious.
     
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    CORRECT and as such they have no legal right to accuse her of being a murderer, to do so is slander.

    "Slander is the oral communication of false statements that are harmful to a person's reputation ... Slander is an act of communication that causes someone to be shamed, ridiculed, held in contempt, lowered in the estimation of the community, or to lose employment status or earnings or otherwise suffer a damaged reputation. Slander is a subcategory of defamation."

    Which is 100% irrelevant to what slander is, slander is not based on what the person doing the slandering believes or thinks, and yes they are accusing her of doing something illegal, they are accusing her of being a murderer in case you didn't know murder is illegal, regardless of whether they actually mean what they say or if the woman knows that what they are saying is false. A woman only has to show that any of the following - shamed, ridiculed, held in contempt, lowered in the estimation of the community, or to lose employment status or earnings or otherwise suffer a damaged reputation - in a court and if the person(s) who said these things cannot provide evidence to support the accusation they WILL be prosecuted.

    If I accuse you of being a murderer I am saying you have done something illegal and without proof that is slander.

    If I accuse you of killing someone that may not be slander as it is possible to kill someone and not commit an illegal act, such as in self defense or in war.

    The issue of whether abortion is legal or not is irrelevant to what pro-lifers are screaming at women who enter a PP clinic. If they were to say "you are killing your 'baby'" though not factually correct it would not be slander as they are not accusing her of doing anything illegal, though it would be at best a circumstantial accusation based on her using a place where abortions are known to take place or if you prefer a guilt by association accusation.

    Which doesn't flippin matter in anyway, shape or form.
     
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    Yeah well that poster is only here to misrepresent, lie and cherry pick, as has been demonstrated throughout their comments.
     
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    Why should a ridiculed woman, crying in tears "(its so horrible and evil what pro life protestors say isnt it, I need a violin"), sue a pro lifer, if their protests don't ruin her reputation? What evidence exists that a pro life protestor calling a woman a "murderer" can ruin her reputation?
     
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    Pro lifers believe that abortion is morally despicable, and equivalent to murder. That is the only reason pro lifers say abortion is murder. They do not ltierally mean abortion is murder. How stupid can you be, that you dont understand this?

    WTF do you mean, "it doesn't flippin matter in any way shape or form"? You are excellent at evading and dismissing my arguements. It is important to take people's staements in context.
     
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    Yes they are, what else are they doing by screaming out murderer at someone.

    Bollocks to them on that, please point out what meaning they have other than accusing someone of unlawfully killing another person;

    noun

    1The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another: the brutal murder of a German holidaymaker [mass noun]: he was put on trial for attempted murder
    2 [mass noun] informal A very difficult or unpleasant task or experience: the 40-mile-per-hour winds at the summit were murder

    verb

    1Kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation: he was accused of murdering his wife’s lover

    2 informal Punish severely or be very angry with: my father will murder me if I’m home late
    2.1 Conclusively defeat (an opponent) in a game or sport.
    2.2S poil by lack of skill or knowledge: the only thing he had murdered was the English language
    2.3 chiefly British Consume (food or drink) greedily or with relish: I could murder some chips

    and yet again IT IS NOT RELEVANT WHAT THE PRO-LIFERS BELIEVE .. Jesus H Christ, it is like trying to explain to a four year old.

    and anyone with half a brain cell can realize that what the bloody pro-lifers literally mean is totally irrelevant, and pro-lifers DO believe that the act of abortion is literally murder.

    Read - http://www.godvoter.org/abortion-is-murder.html
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/Abortion is Murder/physician_explains.htm
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/18/what-do-55-million-people-have-in-common/

    and those are just the first three on a google search.

    Oh for god's sake .. is murder illegal? .. yes or no
    if so then is calling someone a murderer accusing them of committing an illegal act? .. yes or no
     
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    Now you sound incosistent and self contradictory. How is that not "slander"? That is an illegal act.
     
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    That is something up for debate and something I would seriously dispute.
     
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    Neither is your dumb opinion relevant. laws are not based on Fugazi's opinions. Saying "it's not relevant" is such a lame cop out when debating. If you really were confident in your opinoons, you would try to refute my arguements. lol. :roflol:

    It IS relevant in a way.

    I thought you said it's irrelevant what pro lifers believe. You cherry pick. Your arguement standards change when it fits and suits your agenda and purposes. You are a dishonest debater. You are hypocritical for saying that I cherry pick.
     

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