Hillsboro High students walk out over transgender dispute

How do you think Lila feels? She is trying to come to terms with her body image but she can't do that if she has to be kept reminded of her "imperfections". How do you think the guys felt, even those that didn't seem to care about their body image? They cared a lot too but were taught to hide it, while girls were taught that they could do that. That's not healthy behavior and men can suffer from body image problems as well. That's why this type of thought is dangerous for people to have. It tells them that they have to maintain their gender roles, even if it causes damage to them.

Think of it like this, let's say that boy is big into lifting, a male competition. He has to lose weight to get into a certain weight class. What happens when you mix an eating disorder into that? He is losing a dangerous amount of weight but because he was taught not to express his emotions, he doesn't seek help. Even if he did try to find help, it might be difficult for him to get it because statistically men don't really have eating disorders and thus there are fewer resources for them. This is why a gender neutral society makes more sense, because it means people can do what they need to do without the fear of being ridiculed for going outside their gender role.

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We're not talking about sexual orientation, we're talking about gender identity. They're two different things.

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No she's not. The only people who say she's confused are the ones who are confused themselves.

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A bicyclist using their bike shouldn't be on the sidewalk. A person walking their bike can be.

 

And I am talking about gender itself, which is dictated by the type of reproductive organs a person is born with. I do not care if a person believes that they are of the opposite gender, the type of reproductive organs they currently have dictates the terminology that should be applied.

Males should be using male facilities and females should be using female facilities....especially when dealing with minors. If he is not comfortable using male facilities, then an alternate facility should be provided....and it was. Just because someone has an abnormal belief or identity does not mean they need to be treated as a normal....whatever they feel they are. They are not normal. Not saying that their abnormality is wrong or something to fear. Just saying that they ARE NOT normal and we should not be pretending that they are.

 

Actually, you just proved my point. There is a proper place for certain things...and people to be. There is no logical reason why someone with male reproductive organs should ever be in a female dressing room/bathroom unless there are no females in the room itself.....especially when dealing with minors. Adult bathroom are a different issues as adult are often expected to have adult reactions.

 

How do you determine that though? You meet a new person, how does you know whether or not to use male or female pronouns? Do you get to look at their insides and then say "oh, it's male"?

 

1. Saying that people who are transgender are sexual predators, no. That's not true at all.
2. I proved my point. Just because a person has a bike, it doesn't mean they have to be on the sidewalk. They can be on the sidewalk or ride in the streets. It's their choice.

 

Well, if they have a full beard, it makes it easy to determine. Personally, if I can't tell for sure, I do not apply any pronoun to them, but that is because I do not wish to be rude. However, once a gender is identified, I use the proper terminology. It is only for the sake of political correctness that we deviate. It is not for the reason of proper speech. A male that believes they are a female does not make them a female.

 

But how do you do it? Yes you can wait to figure out how that person identifies, but that still leaves the question of how do you figure it out.

 

1. I never even came close to saying that transgender are sexual predators. My concern is the minor females that need to use the facility and need to deal with an uncomfortable issue. Most minor children do not react with adult composure. Heck, there are many minor children that are not even comfortable getting undress in front of people of their own sex. It is not fair to them to further complicate the issue in order to facilitate someone else's identity crisis.

2. if a person is not riding a bike, but is walking with it, they are a pedestrian and should not be in the street. This is for their own safety and the safety of others. The bike is irrelevant....whether they are riding it or not is what is relevant. Just as what a person identifies as is irrelevant....what reproductive organs they have is what is relevant. Yes, minors with identity issues should be helped to make them more comfortable, but that does not mean it should be at the expense of the comfort of others.

 

If they look like a female and act like a female, I would probably call them a female. That does not mean i would be correct if they were not a female. As I said, just because someone identifies as a certain gender, that does not mean they are that gender. I have eaten grapes that look like mini eggplants. That does not make it an eggplant....it is still a grape.

 

So does having male and female inmates in seperate cells, or not allowing male prison guards to strip search female prisoners.

There are separate but equal prisons as well. I guess you favor housing male and female prisoners in the same cells?

Not all discrimination is bad or unacceptable if it's based on actual physical differences as opposed to arbitrary standards.

Regardless of what gender he claims to have, he has a penis. He's being separated because of different genitalia which is accepted precedent; the "gender he identifies" as has nothing to do with. Once he's lopped off his genitals then I'll cave and let him be in the girl's bathroom.

Plus is he even medically recognized as transgender or did he just one day decide to start calling himself a girl?

 

Actually X and Y chromosomes, so go ahead and cut it off, and you're still a boy.

 

Well since schools do not do DNA testing, Penis=Boy, No Penis=Not a boy.

 

What do you mean by look female?

 

I wouldn't call a transgender 'he' or 'she'. I would ignore and avoid them like I do all mentally deranged people I see on the streets.

 

They don't have to see it for it to be fact. Even without the birth certificate, This person was originally enrolled in the same school as a Male.

Sorry, but we arent frogs, and dont just change gender...he's still a Male.

 

no, it's illegal to ride bikes on sidewalks in most states. And those that don't havae that law, or enforce it, the walker has the right of way.

The rights of the girls are being violated for the "rights" of one.

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simplest way at the school level

 

"normal"

 

who cares about girls? Constitution will prevail.

 

if they provided a unisex bathroom, he\she should use it.... jmho

as for showers, I do not believing in communal showers, they should have private shower stalls, some may like group showers with the same gender, most don't

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depends on the schools, and when they were built. Schools built in the 60's typically have communal showers as that was societal norms back then. By the 80's, I remember my middles school had them, but noone used them.

Newer built or remodelled schools tend to have individual shower stalls now, but I don't know the setup in this particular school


Noone in this area showers after PE. PE is not like it was back when we all went as dressing out and participation often mean absolutely nothing if a parent gripes loud enough.

I'd love if a teacher in my daughter's class tried to give my girl a low grade in PE when the school can't provide a location where she feels safe for her to dress out in and then try to affect her grade over it.


I can't say I ever actually used the showers in my middle or high school as a kid though.... being too sweaty and stinking was what Brut cologne was for lol

 

If gender is based strictly on how one "feels", what makes one's claim any more legitimate than another? Without massive amounts of surgery and hormones, its all cosmetic. A gay male wearing a dress and makeup is no different then me wearing a dress, besides having female-ish mannerisms. The slope is VERY slippery. How one FEELS shouldn't determine the fate of a bunch of other people around them. If everyone ELSE feels uncomfortable around you in a bathroom, the problem is YOURS, not theirs. The mature rout to take is to SUCK IT UP and deal with your OWN lack of comfort and not force everyone ELSE around you to adapt to YOU.

What is it with newer generations and their unwillingness to be inconvenienced or feel discomfort. Guess WHAT? Get used to feeling uncomfortable in life. Its going to happen. If your life situation is going to put you in a lot of uncomfortable situations, YOU need to adapt, not the other way around.

Unisex bathrooms at a school are a pretty significant expense for a school for literally 1 person on average. Its pretty silly.

 

Discrimination is often necessary or even good.

Noticing that two things or people are different and should be treated differently is often the wisest course of action.

 

I think most transgenders are just homosexuals who are unable to accept their homosexuality. Now he can pretend to be a heterosexual woman as he takes a big one up the butt.

 

There is no such thing as sex change. You cannot change your sex, never been done and never will be done. Your genes determine your sex. This is body mutilation and nothing more.

 

So if I bet my balls that interest rates in the US go up this year...and they dont...and I have a nip
and tuck...I wont become a female......phew.....