History is clear.

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  1. JohnHamilton

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    Yea, right. Keep on mixing up the Kool Aid to feed to your woke in training recruits. The welfare state is expanding.
     
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    Damn! I wonder why Hugo Chavez kicked the bucket? My understanding was he went to Cuba to have his cancer treated because he figured he’d be poisoned in the U.S.

    If Cuba has performed these medical miracles, why aren’t sick Canadians flocking there? If Cuba has done that, why aren’t they bragging about this socialist achievement to the world?

    I’ll tell you why. It’s all horse droppings.
     
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    as required. a welfare system is a symptom of an economy failing to perform its basic function. inability to provide welfare as needed is a symptom of a failed economy. we are still in the "failing" category.
     
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    It can also mean that those who have the political clout are exercising it. The Democrat Party is a welfare state party. Since Franklin Roosevelt, the goal of every Democrat president has been to expand the welfare state to make his mark on history.

    It’s one of the criteria that woke historians use to measure the success of a presidency. Lyndon Johnson was one of the worst presidents ever, but woke historians call him “near great” because of his “Great Society Program.” Those same historians get amnesia when you mention the Vietnam War, which they bitterly opposed. Most Republican presidents have followed suit to a lesser extent.
     
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    Socialism being collectivized production? I don't see how they're compatible beyond a few government-run operations--cops, firefighters, paramedics, schools, utilities.
     
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    anarchism
     
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    Next of kin to fascism.
     
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    How can our economy be failing with “fearless leader,” Joe Biden, in charge? He’s telling us that he is responsible for the greatest economic recovery in history. As a loyal Democrat, I wouldn’t think that you would be posting that we a failing.
     
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    the question for me is not "socialism or capitalism?" but "where and to what extent can the advantages of each be applied?".
     
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    the us economy is as centrally managed as the ussr, but it is not the president, nor any group of elected or appointed government officials who claim to be in charge.

    the white men who decide who will have jobs and and who won't meet on wall st.
     
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    So you think that socialism is a form of government?


    We need better civics education in this country.
     
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    It always happens with a top down system goes from wonderful theories to the realities of human power and control.
     
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    Jonas Salk, he specifically didn't patent his polio vaccine or seek any profit from it.
     
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    The impetus comes from an economy that doesn't provide enough opportunities for workers to earn a decent wage.
    Woke historians? Anyone "woke" isn't a historian--not a real one, anyway.
    How did you determine LBJ was "one of the worst Presidents ever?"
    I think you have a point here. LBJ and Dubya Bush started or widened wars we didn't need to fight.
     
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    Quite frankly it also seems to be the end result of democracy and representative republics as well. Human nature makes it that way. I see America as more akin to a plutocracy or oligarchy than a democracy or republic. Power corrupts no matter the style of government. While the right rightfully points out the flaws of socialism they seem oblivious to the like flaws of democracy and republicanism.

    I say America needs to get their own house in order before we start throwing stones from our glass house.
     
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    Invisible.
     
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    Yeah right.

    The lead researcher Dr Ana María Vazquez is a high level Insider that is rewarded handsomely for her skillset. She is a political Insider, not a commoner.

    They had to reward her to stay in Cuba and work for the government.

    Without this ranking, she would have fled to greener pastures, which they have to impose authoritarian power or out of alignment wages and positions to keep them

    You think this was just accident:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_inventions


    Who cares if a corporation buys, licenses, or develops directly new innovation?

    It's the profit that motivates individuals, corporations, and investors.

    If profit is a dirty word to you, then why are you supporting this over paid Dr in Cuba? Her and her staff are not living in squaller like most Cubans, they were incentivized with individual profit.

    What you would rather have no profit, or no innovation? Because you can't have both
     
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    So then a century ago when nobody had a welfare state all countries were failing? Paying healthy to stay home and sit on their hands is retarded. Not only does it mean that those people never have a chance to succeed but it makes success for everyone else more difficult. The only thing a welfare state ever gives you is a bigger more powerful government oh and lots of poverty.
     
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    Not quite right.

    He didn't patent it, because his findings weren't novel and patent attorneys said it wasn't patentable.

    Even Salk himself said "could you patent the sun?" In response to inquiries.
     
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    Nah. Not quite.

    I am in the building industry, and shelter is very high on the list of societal needs. Many professionals work often times for free to ensure affordable housing is available. They are able to do this, because they are profitable in another area.

    You're confusing charity and philanthropy with unlimited self sacrifice.
     
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    It's an economic system with the means of production being the responsibilty of the state. That level of investment and control makes it both economic intertwined with a form of governing.
     
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    You speak in riddles and come to no meaningful conclusions.
     
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    I'm so grateful I live in a free market capitalist society which has allowed myself to get ahead obtaining more wealth and possessions then my parents before me.

    So very grateful.

    :)
     
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    This was the crux of the political argument until the communist radicals of the 1960s took over the universities and started pushing for their radical agenda. People with a brain could see the Soviet Union was failing, and only the radical communists saw that Cuba and China under Mao were “ideal societies.” But those fools were the people who stayed behind in the universities to get the advanced degrees and starting polluting young American minds with their BS. These people had no idea about the economic consequences of their agenda. They just pushed it.
     
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    Yes, and it’s all threaded now with Marxism. The polls say that a majority of Americans think that their kids lives will not be as good as their own. Yet they vote for the left leaning Democrats whose ideas are failing. Credit that to the education system, if the votes are counted fairly. If the votes are not counted fairly, credit that to the corrupt Democrat Party.
     

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