History is clear.

What happens when you write 2000 page omnibus bills and pass them in the dead of night without anyone ever reading them. The only good education bill written in the US was the one they did just as western expansion was taking off that mandated that every community had to set aside space for a public school.

 

No, history is clear that Totalitarianism masquerading as Socialism concentrates wealth in the hands of a few dangerous tyrants.

 

Socialism is by it's very nature totalitarianism masquerading as beneficence.

 

You only have to look to Scandinavia to know the fallacy of that.

 

Compulsory charity is totalitarian.

 

What’s your point?

 

I used to challenge to those who said we shouldn't make cuts to find something in the federal government we might trim...

https://www.usa.gov/federal-agencies

The list was different, no doubt shorter, but making cuts somewhere was seldom was challenged as impossible.

Government should be in a constant state of thoughtful change and renewal.

P.S. The list of agencies blows me away. When you click on agency and see how BIG many of them are, it'e even more shocking.

 

I don't see how the capitalist system could survive another Great Depression that began with most charity as s private matter. The Depression overwhelmed private charity.

 

Apparently your point is to feign ignorance for want of a coherent argument.

 

Nope government caused the great depression with unwise trade policies, and through foolish tax policies and other attempts at micro managing everything deepened and widened the Depression In this regard the National Recovery Act was likely the most damaging.

 

Agreed. And there is so much duplication and interagency jurisdiction squabbles over whose in charge of what. And most of it, in the end, comes down to little more than an argument over who gets to wield the knife when they decide to castrate some poor slob who only wanted to be left in peace to live out his retirement on the land he purchased for that purpose twenty years ago. The EPA for instance seems to believe there is no mud puddle in the US that the can't call a wetland and force some poor smuck to maintain it at his own expense even if he has to truck in water to it keep it wet. The horror stories concerning the hyper aggressive approach the EPA takes over wetlands that I've read over the years are mind numbing, even going so far as to continuing harass land owners for years after state and federal courts told them to stop.

 

There is nothing compulsory or totalitarian about the governments in Scandinavia, it's you that lacks coherency.

 

You can add conflicting mandates to junior governments and to regulations for business and individuals. Schools in a large state like California have literally hundreds of unfunded state mandates to follow.

The subjects (all of us) often need legal advice to comply with the law and regs.

We've created a lot of hammers looking for nails.

Watch out.

 

Mistakes were made, probably the worst was cutting the money supply to drive up interest rates. The economy dropped like a stone after that.

Alas, mistakes will be made. I don't think people would ever tolerate a repeat of the 1930s where private charity was all that stood between many of the unemployed and starvation. The declining real incomes of lower- and middle-income groups is causing problems enough.

 

Declining incomes is large a function of leftist driving inflation by chasing chimaeras such as living wage or minimum wage laws. And finding other ways wholly unattached to production to inject money into the economy.

 

Apparently you define compulsory differently than I do. Try not paying the taxes necessary to support that welfare state.

 

Their's is not a "welfare state"; try not paying taxes ... anywhere. The right miss the fact that in our country, for instance, OUR Goverment, with the taxes it has collected, has created THE greatest nation ever on earth. It IS the Greatest Nation on earth RightByGotNow ... that IS OUR Government in action. Taxes are compulsory everywhere, OUR Government has just done a better job, than most, with our taxes.

 

It was the greatest nation earth and certainly the freest nation on earth before we had an income tax. Taxes do not make a nation great. What makes a nation great is the freedom of the people to succeed or fail on their own terms.

 

WE got an income tax in 1913 to pay the interest on the debt the would be created by OUR new Central Bank that was also created in 1913; which is a topic all to it's own. BUT! Even so and, in spite of our non-federal, Federal Reserve, we have won two world wars, created many new technologies, the transistor being one; which makes "this" conversation possible. And through it all we have risen up to be THE Greatest Nation on earth ... TODAY!!!

 

that is happening with Corporatism, Corporatism is the real destroyer of Capitalism in this country

 

accept now we are excessively outsourcing jobs overseas and importing good

letting India control all are corporate IT is a national security risk imo

but also if all the $$$ goes overseas for jobs and goods, more needs to be printed here

 

I will say, there is one benefit to our excessive foreign imports and outsourcing, it means we can print as much money as we want as other countries benefit and if we crash and burn, so do they - as long as Americans have enough money to continue to be consumers

 

You're more wrong than you know. First of all, inflation was tamed during Reagan's two terms after a huge shock from Paul Volcker who was appointed by Jimmy Carter.



Secondly, workers have seen a declining share of economic returns for decades. Two graphs illustrate...




Both parties have stood by while workers real incomes rose just 7+% in over forty years.

Democrats haven't been promoting inflation for four decades.

 

But that doesn't address what I said let alone rebut it. Workers made gains under both Reagan and Trump. The only thing the feds produce is red tape and money. Both both are inflation producing. To be sure since the Neocons left the Democrats circa 1980, and joined with the rump of the Rockefeller Republicans, the Republicans haven't been much better but they do tend to have slightly different spending priorities. The reps bring more inclined toward military spending which at least puts money in some private sector people's pocket via the defense industry, but almost all Democrat spending tends to benefit Public sector unions nearly the only thing union left, and growing the reach and power of the federal government.

One should note that the majority of things made in the US today are made in spite of the federal government not because of it. And that adds costs and for the most part adds little in the way of real value.

 

The left seem to have no clue that socialism makes just about everyone poor and dependent on the government and that capitalism, while totally imperfect, leads to about 80% of it's citizens being better off than they would be under socialism. They are so obsessed with there being one percenters that they would rather have everyone poor but those in government.