Hitchens' Death Will be Closely Watched

Not as ironic as those claiming they are driven by evidence not faith - not being able to rpoduce any evidence.

So let stry reality:

Religious person: Well, the evidence is not conclusive, but strongly suggestive. Other reasons, outside the purely scientific really seal the deal, and these are, in many cases, deeply personal.

But here is a look at a preponderance of teh evidence case:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_god_real.html

Atheist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)r: I don;t see any evidence! I refuse to even read that! there is no evidence! I am an agnostic atheist and am not even making a claim heathen moron!

Religious person: Well, what did drive to conclude that there is no God?

Atheist: Stuff - secret stuff! You guys are all murderers, rapists, and pedophiles BTW - you beliefs are evil!

Religious person: What about Jesus is evil?

Atheist: Deuteronomy! (From the old testament) Besides, Jesus was a Myth I tell YOU!

Religious person: Most scholars disagree.

http://www.bede.org.uk/price1.htm

Atheist: Why do you hate us!?! Magic tea pots and plates of flying spaghetti! (known fallacy ignored)! Did I mention you guys are rapists?

And that is about how it goes, as we see here:

http://www.atheists.org/atheism

http://www.atheists.org/religion

Now why do you think the atheist in this case is the 'logical' one? Why would anyone?

 

Oh, you pmed this to leffe, who posed the question, have you?

I do not know of any places "where there should be something", apart from my toothbrush, which is still there.
I have no idea what you're on about, have you?

I am not "you guys", and how many times will I have to explain that there exists no evidence for something which doesn't exist?

- finally the penny is dropping - yes, that's what I've been telling you for the last year or so!
Yes, it does seem to be hard, but I am glad you are getting there.

Some beliefs can be tested, yes.

Not at all.

All leffe did, was ask for proof - is it this hard to comprehend?
If someone not just states that they believe in God, but claims that God exists, than that's a reasonable request, and not another welcome opportunity to hurl vitriol into their face - for any reasonable person, that is.

I notice hyperbole again.

Strawman. Yep, that's religionist "debating".

lols - more vitriolic hyperbole.

Why don't you?

 

Hmm, haven't I just seen this link in the other post?

A few days ago it was posted as an answer to the question "where in the bible is God defined" and accompanied by vile accusations and insults.
You may get a better response if you post it when it's relevant or on topic, and perhaps with less invectives.
Maybe start a thread and summarise in your own words?

 

Oh, you are not again asking for it? Well, ehatever excuse you can muster to avoid being wrong.

So, not even an attempt at a logical problem solving technique? Exactly as claimed.

And since it isn't logic, it must be emotion, exactly as claimed.

But I am a bigot?

Well, lets try it again. Its called pulling an ostrich. If you refuse to acknowledge something that does not make it unreal, it makes YOU obstinate.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_god_real.html

Yes I see very clearly that you will employ ANY standard to deny - even when the contradict one another.

Not yours.

And so did you, and a few other atheists who have been shown the same proof over and over and over. Its the same damb thing, but Leffe means its all brand new.

And the point about being driven by evidence, but having none? Excused by your victimization. Gotcha.

Appeal to authority - it is a strawman because I say so. Atheism.

Super victim - again. Kinda hard to discuss something that treats everything but their own opinion as an insult. That just indicates zealotry.

But, as we see more an more that atheists are disinterested in evidence and reaonable discussion, it become more and more clear that modern atheism is little more than untra-zealous denial at any cost.

You guys make Creationists look like Einstein.

 

ROFL LMFAO!!!!!!

Once again, ask for proof get it - find stupid excuse.

The fact that you are trying the same dode - twice is pathetic - my answer to the definition question was, "Read the Bible."

What a vile accusation! Its just simple atheist dishonesty and overt trolling.

 

I have not asked for proof of your god and this would be the wrong thread for it anyway.

Note the topic title.

 

No it won't. I didn't even know who this guy was till I read this thread. I do not care what he chooses to bring him solace on his death bed... nor anyone's. Him converting would not change reality or disprove anyone's beliefs.

 

I am just lmao at this notion that Yahowah is capable of creating a universe! You people have no idea Who you have aligned yourselves with. Competence is not His strong suit.

You like Him and you want to worship Him. Fine. But giving Him credit for creating what He is only a small, dismissable part of is absurd.

Why do you Christians have to declare everything TO THE MAX? Huh? LOL

It's not enough that Yahowah is very intelligent. No, He knows ALL and sees ALL! TO THE MAX! LOL

It's not enough for Him to be very strong and powerful. NO! He is ALL-POWERFUL and can accomplish ANYTHING AT ALL, even things that are logical contradictions and paradoxes because HE IS... TO THE MAX!!!! LOL

It's not enough that His advanced knowledge of genetics might have contributed to the development of our species into modern, superintelligent apes who are so advanced as to balk at and even be offended by that ancestry. No. He created the entire UNIVERSE! TO THE MAX!

Just get over yourselves, people. It's not Yahowah you hold in such high esteem. You don't even KNOW the Entity. It's yourselves you think so highly of. Your idea of Yahowah (not at all based on Yahowah Himself) is simply an extension of yourselves. And because you are so arrogant, you would LOVE to think of yourselves as knowing and seeing all. You would LOVE to think of yourselves as being all-powerful. You would LOVE to take credit for creating the whole Universe. But you know no one would believe that. SO YOU SETTLE for attributing all of those things to your favorite extra-terrestrial governor from thousands of years ago who you never met and left us with no reason to believe any of those absurd things about Him.

Get a grip on reality, people!

 

Gee.. that sounds like the category to which atheist and other non-theists post regarding the existence of God. Subjective, spurious speculation driven by emotional bias. Nice projection you made... too bad that it is reflective of your own condition.

 

That link sets a very VERY low evidentiary standard. Just because a website discuss scientific evidence does not mean it is scientific evidence. Assuming that the link provided actually constitutes evidence for a deity than it could also be assumed that there is evidence that said deity is a spaghetti monster:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Faith, by definition, does not require evidence.

 

Leaving aside the spurious accusation, no I am not asking again, I haven't asked in the first place.

I chose it not to be my task to decypher the garbled text presented.

Yes, I think this is a fair description of the text presented.

Wow, haven't I seen this link somewhere before?!?

Hmm, I am not denying, but agreeing with what you said (this particular bit), because it's exactly what Ive been trying to tell you!

Got nothing to do with the atheism you despise so much. lol

No, this is what appeal to authority fallacy means. I've merely pointed out a strawman = something claimed to have been asserted by me, but actually was not.
Something myself and others need to do frequently in the face of religionist 'debating'.

Sorry, nothing of interest in the ensuing vitriol.

 

Agh yes, the flip flop, first screaming about evidence, now asking, "Who is asking for evidence."

Notice the failure to rebut the evidence when presented? Atheism's ... well, its not even circular logic, its just avoidance.

An excuse for laziness. Worse, you reject it without even examining it. How is that logical?

HOw would you know? You have not read it and apparently do not understand it?

How can your cirtiques be considered accurate at all? (They can't)

And still have no rebutted it - nor read it - I am seeing a pattern here.

That you will deny God at any cost? We know. They is why your beliefs are even less logical then ours.

When you call something a strawman based solely on your opinion - i.e. no proof, then it is an appeal to authority. Simple.

You said something was a strawman tha twas not a strawman, its pretty simple. You seem confuse things easily?

Make excuses? We know.

And yet yours is fine.

How about you tell me what your thesis statement is again? Because it looks like mere obstinancy to me - the opposite of anything a Christian says.

 

If it is so low, then maybe you shoudl rebut it with something besides your opinion?

And no, we cannot, because tehre are specific claims it is tied to - which assumes that you have read it, and apparently you have not.

And yes, you start general and go specific, but if you want to believe in magic spaghetti whose origins we know and have documented, go right ahead.

Just remember, you haven't rebutted teh information you demanded. Atheists never do. That might lead to an actual discussion.

 

Neither of the two.
I have not screamed for evidence, not even asked for it, and I have clearly, directly and repeatedly pointed at leffe as the one posing the question.
It's all recorded on the last few pages.

Forgive me that I neither read nor address the rest of a comment which starts with 2 blatant lies about me in the first sentence.

 

Oh, that is not you?

Clearly, in those posts, you were referring to Leffe?

Your character has again been disparaged, everyone is so dishonest .... and there stand your quotes.

Is this what atheists think is debate? Constant flip flops whiel accusing others of dishonesty? Seems so.

 

Where in either of these quotes am I asking for proof of God? lols

Sorry, someone else's comprehension deficit is not my problem...

 

You are right, your comprehension problem is your own. The context is clear, and it sure as hell is not Leffe you are talking about.

Its simple trolling - its about picking fights and eventually blowing your stack and castigating others to play the eternal victim.

Seriously, how can anyone thing that this constant flip-flopping victimhood and excuses is supposed to be debate?

This has nothing to do with atheism, and everything to do with intransigence.

 

It's called "being truthful".

Again, someone else's failure to comprehend my words, whether intentionally 'misunderstood' or due to a comprehension skills deficit, is not my responsibility, specially not after repeated clarification.

 

Repeated lies you mean?

Yep, lets recap.

First, you are expert enough on the Bible to call us rapists and murderer asuring us that you know our faith better than we do.

But you cannot find God in the Bible, indeed find it indecipherable and cannot make heads or tails out of it - but you reject it anyway.

Second, you continuously demand evidence (and have been for months).

And when evidence is presented? You ignore it entirely, and, as you are doing now, claiming that were not even asking for it - despite direct quotes of you asking for it and disparaging people for not providing it.

Third, you have, twice now, attempte dto take the presentation of evidence and present it as if it were offered as the definition of God? Even though a simple glance at the site easily makes that notion absurd - you make it anyway, once again, either failing to comprehend or simply too lazy to read.

Yet here you sit challenging everyone else on their comprehension abilities?

And admist all this, admist all the accusations, is the dismissal of anything that displeases you as bigotry, as if your actions are somehow about atheism? As if rejecting your antics is condemnation of an ideological stance?

Its just the rejection of abuse and bullying - has nothing to do with atheism, and everything to do with rejecting a desire to put people down at all costs.

And ... as always, silence from atheists.

And they wonder why they slide down the old trust scale.

 

Like everybody else here, I am tired of having to continually defend myself against false accusations and misrepresentations of my words.

The constant vitriol which accompanies such accusations and is almost identical no matter what the topic at hand or which despised atheist is being attacked, doesn't help either.

So, I won't address any particulars of the latest diatribe posted.

 

There does appear to be some animosity out there, eh?

 

Is there something false that stroll has been accussed of?

Why is stroll's honor a topic of this thread?

 

Yes.

Because you made it one.

 

Please stay on topic and let's not make thread get closed. I am not going to continue working reports when all I have to do is look at one page and see this thread is way "Off topic". Stay civil, please.

Thank you,

Jiyuu-Freedom
Site Moderator

 

You can always put the accuser on ignore.

You may even get to experience a certain positive effect on the "IQ" of the entire subforum.