Hot issue to debate?

So says the sub-forum? Its talking bobbins though isn't it? The debate isn't "hot": more liberal nations have lower abortion rates. This is purely about an assault on women and their choice.

Be honest! This isn't debate. This is a religious and a right wing insistence on authoritarianism. American Christians will argue their toss in fundamentalism

 

There are plenty of atheists and humanists who are opposed to abortion. There are plenty of authoritarians on the so-called "pro-choice" side. The issue is far more complex and grey than the partisan dullards on both sides are willing to admit.

 

""""""This is purely about an assault on women and their choice.""""""""""""""""


Yup!

 

Guess the right to death crowd doesn't like the idea of putting any value on life.

 

LOL! I love the fake abortion tool in your cartoon! Why not a chainsaw or a large toothy shark...afterall misrepresentation is misrepresentation...


Could you possibly explain what a cop shooting a black person and women being free to choose abortion have in common? I can't see any comparison.

 

I know it is difficult for some to understand that claiming life should be valued then defending taking life is hypocritical.

 

Sorry, your simplistic cartoon can't possibly represent two such different and complex issues.

 

A life only has as much value as another places upon it, not even you value all human life the same.

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By far the highest right of all, one that even over rules the right to life is the right to defend yourself against non-consented injuries.

 

So, you are the product of a non-consented injury eh? LOL

 

Apart from being a strawman I suggest you look up implied consent and how it applies to a woman who undertakes pregnancy through to birth .. unless you have some more strawmen you'd like to share that is?

 

I'll set you a task. Download a social attitudes survey. Run a probit or logit (you take your pick), controlling for variables such as religion and right wing authoritarianism. Present results!

Alternatively, save your time. The skewed nature of the "abortion debate" (a proper abuse of the English language) is well known. There isn't even a rational "its just about the kids" saving grace as the evidence shows lower abortion rates in liberal-policy countries.

 

Guess the forced gestation crowd doesn't like the idea of putting any value on women's lives outside of them being incubators.....

 

Not familiar with the cycle of life eh?

 

What does that have to do with forcing someone to be an incubator?

 

I'm very familiar with it, but what does that have to do with what we are discussing?

 

Yes, yes, just as abolishing slavery wasn't about freeing the slaves but only about an assault on farmer's rights. You people have been using the same tired line of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) for centuries to justify oppressing people who look different from you. You would think you would have learned something by now about your selfish ways.

 

Found a good law school yet?

 

And why should I?

 

Hey, you don't value your own life is your problem.

 

Most ironic post ever. The control of women's reproduction by government force IS oppression, and forcing others to live by your personal beliefs is selfish.

 

Don't forget, the same right-wing that refuses science when it comes to pollution and climate change issues absolutely love trying to use science when it comes to abortion. Because everyone knows that science is only right if you agree with it.

 

What is your point?

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Again, whether I do or do not, the question remains, why should I?

 

I would be willing to bet you, that life only has as much value as another places upon it and that even you adhere to that principle.

 

I'm new here, so I will give a quick rundown on how I feel about the abortion issue. I don't agree with abortion personally and think it should be an absolute last resort decision. However, I realize that it is a necessary evil. Do we really want people who don't want to be parents forced into that role? One must wonder what kind of parents they would be . . . probably not very good parents considering they had no desire to carry the baby to begin with. That's about it in a nutshell for my view on abortion.