Hot Take: Nazis were not evil for their time.

cremation was done because they were DEAD. the "final solution" is why they had to be cremated.

 

OTOH matters of law are bound up with questions of right and wrong and there really aren't two sides in such matters.

Is the President, or any man, above the law? One would think there would be only one answer to that in a legal college, yet it is being argued even as we speak.

 

how about we go BACK to the OP, rather than let this thread get turned into just one more stupid endless debate about the validity of the Holocaust????

pretty please?

 

But ain't it funny how persistent the Holocaust deniers/rationalizers are? It's almost like they're always waiting to pounce...

 

I don't confuse obsession, with "persistence".

Neither should you. Anyways, let's get back to the OP.

 

its true. always have been, always will be.

 

I soooo agree. Have for a long time.

 

Complete Nonsense!!
Before you make such off the cuff statements, separate all the lies impacted into your brain by Germany's enemies and the winners of WWII.
We have an entire Thread about the holocaust with numerous enlightening links for anyone to educate himself.

 

Okay I loled

 

I used to present this question to senior high history students: "If you were President Truman in 1945, knowing what he knew then, would you have ordered the atomic bombing of Japan?" Their job, of course, was to write a persuasive reply. They researched about the bomb, the strategic position of Japan in August 1945, and discussions around demonstrating the bomb vs. using it as a military weapon. There were many considerations, including those Truman knew he might face if he didn't use nuclear weapons and the war had continued.

I've pondered the issues myself and I came to the reluctant conclusion we made the right call. Japan wasn't going to quit. Millions of lives might have been lost in an invasion.

 

As I've noted before an unbiased review of the military/political options available to the allies in mid 1945 shows they were all bad. Every option on the table resulted in tens of thousands of military and civilian casualties per month at a minimum, the majority through disease and starvation.

 

Japan sent peace "feelers" to the American embassy through the Russian embassy before either bomb was dropped. The actual reason Japan quit remains controversial but many Japanese historians note that a cadre of younger officers were going to actually overthrow the Emperor in favor of his uncle if he had surrendered even after Nagasaki. What actually made even these hardliners give up was, ironically, the entry of Russia into the war against the Empire and Japan's possible incorporation as a conquered province of the Soviet Union. No one knows what might have happened and now no one ever will; all that remains is the indisputable fact that what did take place was unbelievably horrible and indescribably tragic.

 

Easy thread MVP right there

 

I lived, studied and worked in what was then W. Germany for several years have known at least FIVE people who were THERE (in a work camp) and like the thousands of people interviewed by the Red Cross and Vatican, not one of them made any mention of homicidal gas chambers or a genocidal German agenda. Typhus was the primary killer, not fictitious homicidal gas chambers that like the "human vaporizer", steam chambers, electrocution chambers etc were simply part of Allied propaganda.

You don't really think that only the "other side" used propaganda do you?

The American propaganda agency that spun grisly myths that only the most gullible still believe was the OWI (Office of Wartime Information). British propagandists were even more effective but nothing can match the pure hogwash generated by the international, fraudulent and profit hungry Holocaust Industry.

Of course the work camps were in a dismal state at the end of the war. Germany's civilian infrastructure was destroyed by the Allies making it impossible to supply the camps with food, coal/coke or medicine.

Among the several German WW 2 Veterans I knew was a stone mason who was a former, young SS officer who was captured by the Communists. He secretly paid for the beer we drank while working together and was no more vicious than any of the American G.I.s I knew while I was in the US Military especially in Laos.

One more person I knew who was THERE was a White (vs Red) Russian woman who was a captive of all the major armies. She claimed that the Germans treated her better than anyone. Of course you won't read her personal account in any of your grisly holocaust theme parks for the easily duped.

Re:

I have made it clear that I abhor all forms of totalitarianism. I am simply shocked at the dismal level of gullibility expressed by people unable to grasp three simple realities:
1. The first casualty of war is the truth.
2. The victors write the history.
3. The Germans were no more brutal or criminal than any other participant in the WW 2 era.

 

The "Final Solution" had more to do with transferring people to the East, not genocide.
Please read up on the Haavara Agreement made between the German Zionist Federation and Germany's National Socialist Party to transfer willing Jews to Palestine

Neither the Red Cross nor the Vatican could find any evidence of a genocidal agenda and unlike Stalin, Eisenhower or Churchill, there is no written order from Hitler for the destruction of anyone.

“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190

 

Tell me more....

 

One of the major factors which is often totally overlooked here is that Japan still had almost a million men who were completely fresh troops under arms in China. The Home Islands were in sad shape but the major fighting in China had not really begun.

 

It appears to have been an effort by Japan to avoid defeat and occupation. Of course, there was no chance the U.S. was going to leave the government intact.

Yes, and there was the famous split at the highest level decided by the Emperor.

There were multiple factors involved in Japan giving up including the Soviet Aug. 8 attack.

We do know the U.S. had another bomb in the Pacific theater and the possibility of maybe a dozen bombs by the end of 1945. I imagine they would have used them on Japanese forces massed to counter an invasion.

 

Totally agree.

 

i totally agree.

always have been, and they always will be.

 

The nazis were monster even for that time period

 

They were indeed truly evil monsters.

 

I have heard that Hitler rejected the atom bomb as too cruel. Someone decided to ship it to Japan. Unfortunately, the U-Boot with all the blueprints and components didn't get any further than North-Amerika.
I'm glad, neither the Japanese nor the Germans used the bomb on their fellow humans!!

Hitler won atomic bomb race, but couldn't drop it.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/hitler-won-atomic-bomb-race-but-couldnt-drop-it-20050305-gdkv49.html

 

According to my television in Canada, the Nazis were the greatest evil in the world.
I got rid of my television!!

 

it was right