How a Conservative Activist Invented the Conflict Over Critical Race Theory

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  1. Marcotic

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    Oh, I see, you don't know what racism is either.
     
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    It's such a shame that the GQP would rather develop and use such propaganda than debate actual policy ideas.
     
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    And that's the core of it. How else do you justify finding some obscure 50+ year old academic theory being thrust into the headlines as if it hadn't been sanitized for the youth well in advance of being taught in schools.
     
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    Read the source material and make up your own mind.

    That's pretty much the only answer.

    The source material is not particularly challenging. It's not any more difficult than any other topic in sociology.
     
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    Plenty of police have been put in jail or kicked off the force for bad behavior.


    Kind of an irony in all this, is that the modern Republican crazy train began as a reaction to the influence of Blacks and hippies in the sixties. The drug wars were specifically designed to do harm to the Black and hippie communities. However, hippies tended to be idealistic upper middle class college students intent on changing the world for the better. Hippies eventually cut their hair and donned business attire and began to change the world, from the inside. Since the sixties the lives of Blacks, Hispanics, the handicapped, homosexuals, and other marginalized groups have been mainstreamed under the banner of hippie idealism. From the Trump to the insurrectionists, such progress has not been appreciated.

    As the Republican/Russian dirty tricks and misinformation machines kept building in momentum, it has been big tech, much of it founded by hippies, that has been the major force fighting back. Even more irony, is that the modern Republican misinformation campaign runs on hippie/liberal created technologies. That is, Republicans and conservatives can only bash liberals in such a widespread manner, because of the technology created primarily by liberals.[/QUOTE]
    So you thought teaching kids that all blacks are oppressed and all whites are privileged is just fine but calling that out as being unacceptable is racist?
     
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    It is interesting to see that racism has come back into fashion.
     
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    The majority of parents alarmed over what they see being taught in schools and protesting never heard of Rufo.

    This is just another left wing Alinski tactic at work.
     
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    One need only look at Portland to see the results of Critical Race indoctrination. Parents in conservative communities are FULLY aware of the fruits of this toxic ideology, they have borne witness to it for over a year now. For whatever reason, the elites want to see middle class communities burn and have recognized this as the must expedient method to accomplish it.

    I anticipate this ending up in the courts and more parental rights and fundamental freedoms destroyed. The left will absolutely come for the private schools eventually. They cry anti-fascism as they implement fascism.

    Ronald Reagan said:


    Fascism has come, and it has come in the name of liberalism. I am happy that Reagan did not live long enough to see his prophecy come true.
     
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    No. That is your only source. You just get it from his echo-chamber and don't realize what the source of the conspiracy theories you espouse is.

    For example, this...

    You keep saying nonsense like this despite the fact that NONE of the quotes you submitted say that. This is from the Tucker Carlson/Hannity/Alex Jones/QAnon echo chamber. NOT from any of the sources you quoted. In fact, your quotes say the opposite.

    YOUR quote

    "Critical race theory is an academic framework centered on the idea that racism is systemic, and not just demonstrated by individual people with prejudices"

    I guess I have to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't read or didn't understand what you were quoting.
     
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    The problem is that this is only evident to those who studied history and geography. Not something to be expected among many Trump followers. They might even admit that race played a role, but they hold that racism inherent in our system "magically" ended when a black man was elected President.
     
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    I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Normally when you make a claim, educated people who know what they are talking about provide some sort of argument to back up what they claim. Could be a reference. Or it could even be some logical argument that is extracted from known fact. You didn't provide any of that. You blew it!

    Refute what? You didn't SAY anything? All you said was basically "CRT is bad"... And when I challenged you to explain why... with references, facts or.... even so much as an argument.... you admitted (I just quoted you above) that you didn't "forget", but omitted it intentionally.

    If you have an argument to make, make it! And make it based on facts... not on ignorance. Not on wingnut-world idiotic claims like "CRT says all blacks are oppressed and all whites are oppressors", but based on FACTS. QUOTE what you are criticizing, and then criticize it.

    I expect that you will not.
     
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    Claiming that you did your research is easy. Showing that you did, by submitting references, facts or... even so much as an argument... is much more difficult. You did the former. It's no surprise that you didn't do the latter.

    QUOTE where I called you racist, or retract!!!
     
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    It’s not my job to make you be an informed individual. And I will not because that’s exactly what you were doing. And it’s because you don’t have any argument to make.
     
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    I said plenty, and at no point have you refuted it, you haven’t provided any facts and instead just call people racist when they debunk you. Educated people wouldn’t just call others racist in discussion but that’s to much to expect I suppose haha.

    par for the course for dems
     
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    Everything you can't comprehend or disagree with magically comes from Tucker Carlson/Hannity/Alex Jones/QAnon echo chamber. No surprise there. Where did you learn that? CNN. lol

    So you think everything I quoted means the opposite of what I claimed? Lets take a look.

    critical race theory (CRT), intellectual movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans.

    SO THERES FAILURE #1 ON ABILITY TO COMPREHEND

    Critical race theory is an academic framework centered on the idea that racism is systemic, and not just demonstrated by individual people with prejudices. The theory holds that racial inequality is woven into legal systems and negatively affects people of color in their schools, doctors’ offices, the criminal justice system and countless other parts of life.

    THERES FAILURE #2 ON ABILITY TO COMPREHEND

    An outgrowth of the European Marxist school of critical theory, critical race theory is an academic movement which seeks to link racism, race, and power. Unlike the Civil Rights movement, which sought to work within the structures of American democracy, critical race theorists challenge the very foundations of the liberal order, such as rationalism, constitutional law, and legal reasoning. Critical race theorists argue that American social life, political structures, and economic systems are founded upon race, which (in their view) is a social construct.

    THERS FAILURE #3 ON ABILITY TO COMPREHEND

    I'm not surprised you don't understand that it means CRT teaches the system is rigged against you if you're a minority. Hence the word systemic. Oh, you don't know what systemic racism means. Also called structural racism or institutional racism, as systems and structures that have procedures or processes that disadvantages African Americans. And that statement means it is wide spread and not localized to a few individuals.
    You should take a class on comprehension.
     
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    I never expected you to support any of your points because... that would be impossible. I don't expect you to do the impossible.

    But I do expect you to support what you claim about me. If you are expecting to be treated like a serious poster, that is. And not like a troll, which I'm sure you're not.

    QUOTE where I called you a racist, or retract!
     
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    You have said nothing, or you would have, at least, stated one or two points here.

    Don't worry... I know you probably looked back at your posts and noticed that there was not a single substantive point in them.

    But I DO expect you to back up (with a QUOTE) your claim that I called you "racist". Or your retraction. There is no shame in retracting, you should know. Shame only comes by failing to do so when you accuse somebody of saying something they DIDN'T say.
     
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    No actually learned it from you.

    Your claim: "Teaching kids that all blacks are oppressed and all whites are privileged."

    Where the hell does it say that? At a minimum you should point me to the word ALL.

    Exactly! In the SYSTEM! It's not about "all blacks" or "all whites". Or, for that matter, about ANY individual white or black person. It's systemic.

    If you don't know what that means, ASK!
     
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    Thats really nothing more than an opinion piece. The authors view vs Rufo’s view.
     
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    To me it sounds as if you’re the one with nothing to say. The article posted was little more than an opinion piece criticizing someone who researched what the author obviously has not.
     
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    The person being "criticized" himself wrote to the author: "This entire movement came from nothing."
     
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    No you didn't Yet another fake claim to cover up the first idiotic claim.

    So when CRT teaches a socially constructed category that is used to oppress and exploit people of color.
    If it doesn't say all people of color, you don't get it? Do you have to have everything spelled out? Did you think kids in a classroom are going to make that distinction?

    And when Critical race theorists claim the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans.
    If it doesn't say all non whites or all African Americans, then its ok to teach it because none of the black kids would ever think this is talking about them?

    Systemic racism means a systems and structures that have procedures or processes that disadvantages African Americans. Thats the lefts definition. You going to argue that now?
    Or is this just too hard for you to follow along?
     
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    The poster I was responding to didn't have a point (or refused to state what their point was). Do you have one? So what if it was an opinion piece?
     
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    It doesn't say all people of color because that would be idiotic. Racism is systemic. NOT referring to any particular or any number of black people in particular. It affects whoever systemic racism affects. Some aspects will affect some, others affect others. The SYSTEM is set up to exploit poor people, and tends to keep black people poor. Some are trying to break the circle of poverty. But there are still aspects that affect black people more negatively than white people. For example, where they live, what schools many of them attended, how poor their families are, profiling by police,... all those aspects are in the SYSTEM.

    I think this topic is way over your head. And I'm not sure this is the best media for you to learn about it. Keep reading the articles you quoted. But make sure you read them and UNDERSTAND them
    .
     
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    I always considered the Spanish and Latinos as white but the last few years the left has moved them into the browm column. When I get a form that ask's about race I check off other or American. I refuse to let the government pigeon hole me as some kind of data. It really is nobody's business what color, sex, mate preference, income, marital status or any other personal information I wish not to give them.

    Tortured children. Don't go hysterical on me. What type of people drag their children thousands of miles through heat, storms, hunger, assaults, or worse yet put them in the custody of coyotes for explotation? Trump did the right thing by separating the children to keep them safe from uncaring parents and predators.

    The leftists of the USA are using the Marxist handbook of the Nazis and Communists.

    The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx
    www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html



    Although Marx advocated the use of any means, especially including violent revolution, to bring about socialist dictatorship, he suggested ten political goals for developed countries such as the United States. How far has the United States -- traditionally the bastion of freedom, free markets, and private property -- gone down the Marxist road to fulfill these socialist aims? You be the judge. The following are Marx's ten planks from his Communist Manifesto.

    1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

    The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.
    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

    In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

    8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
    We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

    10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

    People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

    Marxism and socialism have proved to be colossal failures all over the world. As Frederic Bastiat wrote in his classic The Law just prior to his death, "let us now try liberty"!

    The USA has only 5 % of the World Population but we have the highest % of people in the middle class. No other country has done more for it's people. Should we be responsible for the failure of the countries that choose a different path of goverment? I think not.
     

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