How do we spend 3/4 trillion dollars on defense, yet our borders are insecure?

Because what Ike warned us about in 1961 has come to pass with a vengeance. We have today and for several decades now a government that wages perpetual war, overthrowing legitimate governments around the world.

 

That's an absurd statement. Homeland Security came into existence ONLY after the false flag attacks of 11 September. Yes, it was great for big government authoritarian bureaucracy, borrowing from the German Nazi idea of Vaterland.

The military is supposed to protect us from invasion. That's what the founders envisioned.

 

Don't blame me, but that was the comments of some farmers and other small business owners who relied on migrant workers in Alabama and Florida on what they observed when they hired American workers. Some quit within an hour. Some wanted breaks every 15 minutes, some wanted to work half a day but be paid a full day's wage, and so forth. We are spoiled with our developed country problems. Most of us, especially young ones, if we had no computers, had to rely on the snail mail for payments and everything, including correspondence, will go nuts and think we are in a third-world country. And yet, we did this not that long ago, like 40 years ago.

 

I blamed you only for suggesting that American workers were inferior to illegal alien workers.

 

This is the solution, I do think we should have way more green cards than we currently do to allow a system where people could come here to work.

It doesn’t matter what kind of wall we build or what systems we implement if all that has to happen is for someone to successfully evade it once. Make it something that is continuous.

 

Wrong. Prior to homeland security the border was protected by the very same border patrol that is in force today. Not the DOD. Only the department names changed. The posse comitatus law prevents the military from operating in the U.S. We have state national guards to deal with internal issues. I ignored the nazi nonsense. You should know better than to post things like that.

 

Temporary work visas at least would provide for legally admitted workers. Green cards are permanent enough that the worker should enter legally. Rewarding illegal immigration with green cards is less than excellent.

 

Not exactly. But in this case, at this time of basically an invasion of mostly uneducated, unvaccinated non English speaking, bodies, it’s time to stop the flood gates. When our own govt is actively sabotaging our ability to stop illegals from entering, I think it has to be turned over to the military OR let border patrol do what THEY think is best to protect our borders. Or line up the tanks and get serious.

 

Even if it is overseas, it is labor intensive because a person has to phyycially read the DS 260 form and check off all the protocols that they have to go to. I take it you have not nor are familiar with the immigration process. There is a plethora of websites that help with legal immigration issues and a few that help with immigrants who are not in status. VisaJourney is one, but there are others. And if you go to their websites and look around without joining, you will the issues first hand and the time frames there in. So, this is not a false issue. It is just you lack experience and education in this issue. But when it comes to immigration, it is labor intensive. For a US citizen to sponsor someone, they have to submit an petition and the visa they are wanting for the immigrant. Very few visas can be expedited. And depending on that visa will depend on the time frame of that visa will be processed with USCIS. Then it goes to the State Departments NVC center generally. This is a joint venture between the State Department and USCIS. Once that is processed, usually in a couple of months, it is transported to the embassy. That takes two to four months because that has to go through a diplomatic pouch BTW, not mail. Once it gets to the embassy, a counselor officer will intiate the proceess. Will send by mail to the immigrant's address on what the next steps are, which includes filling out the DS 260 and possibly other forms. Once that is filled out, the immigrant will have to schedule an interview, and that usually takes some time. The immigrant will have to get a health checkup from any doctor that the embassy approves, a police report, bank statements, and other records including a birth certificate and passport, along with two photos under the criteria of the Embassy. And then once that interview is concluded, the immigrant will know in a day or two, in which they will have to wait in line, to see if they get that visa. If they are coming on their own, they usually have to go to the embassy website to start the process as explained below.

Traveling to another country by an immigrant is daunting when coming to America if they have to obtain a visa. We have 33 or more Visa Waiver Countries where no visa is required if the stay is less than the maximum time allowed and you have a round-trip ticket and that makes it easier for that immigrant. Even the "Bond Visa" would prevent that according to Vance's proposal. But when a visa is required, you may want to take a look at those countries. One Youtuber called The Filipina Pea just recently came to America. She even had a video of how she was able to get here since she was a single Filipina, in her prime age, not married, but has a job and income. You might learn something or two.

The whole point of the bond issue is to prevent immigrants from coming here. It is in violation of our Constitution. it would be like trying to have people post a $5000 or $10000 bond if you want to come to Texas. If that were the case, and it that was legal, how many people will travel for vacation, Can you say none to very little? So, the whole point is not that it is assurance, it is to prevent legal immigration. We already have assurance if they are approved for such a visa, and it shows how little Vance knows about immigration and is more of an immigration restrictionist in my mind as well as you. You are not that transparent BTW.

Third, I have investigated, in my former government career, thousands upon thousands of small businesses. I have talked with small business owners and know exactly what they pay and don't pay. From my experience, a vast majority pay for Human Resource Services to do the hiring and other services. Small Business owners have to be everything, but small business owners either really know how to sell their product or make and sell their product. When it comes to advertising, hiring with all the regulations therein, benefits such as health care, and so forth, they will hire if the cost is not too high and if it is in their best interest. It is in their bank statements on those payments as well as correspondence, emails, and so forth for those reasons. I also know what human resource companies offer and don't offer. For the past ten years, it has been a boon for this type of business as well as third party payroll companies in the small business world. They also help larger businesses as well. But with larger businesses, at least they have the manpower to go to the government website and actually do it, usually an attorney on retainer. So, if you don't mind, I am not going to take your word that I don't know what I am talking about because your daddy may have had a small business, but you surely don't have the expertise of what that small business is like. You neither have the scholarly education, the life experence, or even the professional experience of what most small business companies do and don't do. They just don't advertise it to every tom, dick and harry such as you.

I am going to put it to you this way. you live in a large community surrounded by walls. 'There is an outer wall, but there are also interior walls dividing up different sections of the community. You live in the far north of the community, and you notice a small fire in the south part of the community. You decide it is not your concern because the fire does not affect you. As the fire grows bigger and bigger, more and more people from the south decide to flee because they cannot control the fire. They begin to settle in the middle of the community. But the fire gets bigger and bigger but you still don't think it is your concern. Eventually, those who live in the middle and the south decide to move where you live in the north, but you don't want that. As the fire approaches the north, then you decide to take action and try to stop the fire. But you can't because even your equipment is not enough with the fire. And thus, you have a humanitarian choice, allow them to enter or allow them to die.

The whole point of this exercise is to show that the fire are the issues of why citizens of those countries are fleeing to the US. We are the north. We have the knowledge, expertise, and other resources to help if we choose to. The fire are all the problems that country or countries have, and they must be solved if we are going to solve the migration process. This is a Regional problem with the Association of American States, which the US is a part of BTW. And it can be solved if we work together.

Apparently, you are not a student of history, Maybe His Story and the myths of our history, but not real history. We were isolationists, which is what you are advocating when you say, "not our job." And on December 7th 1941, we learned the price of that isolationism, did we. Since WW2, we have become a world leader. A world leader has certain responsibilities outside of our borders. We have been doing this since 1945 and we have interests all over the world. We have allies all over the world and we have certain adversaries as well all over the world beyond Russia, China, and North Korea. Since the Berlin Wall fell, there are six to seven major camps worldwide. We belong to more than one, some countries do to. And some countries only belong to one. It was easier when it was West V East, Freedom v Communism, but not anymore today and we saw that in 2003 when some of our allies disagreed with us invading Iraq and so forth.

So, you are not experienced in international affairs, you have no education or experience in immigration, and you have no experience in what small businesses actually pay and don't pay for. Congrats, you were socially promoted in our education system because you are conservative and think you are entitled to everything because of that. Hogwash.

 

because of Republicans and Democrats, they want the cheap labor

"To keep immigrants from fleeing, Florida GOP focus on immigration law loopholes"

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/07/1180646146/florida-immigration-law-sb-1718-republican-lawmakers

"Florida Republicans who voted to pass the state's imminent anti-immigration law are trying to curb a potentially disastrous mass exodus of undocumented residents by touting the legislation's many "loopholes.""

"GOP Rep. Rick Roth, a third generation farmer, told NPR on Tuesday that state Senate Bill 1718, which goes into effect on July 1, was designed to "scare migrants." But he admitted that he and his colleagues were unprepared for the destabilization it would cause among the state's more established immigrant

 

the BIGGER concern is mega corps outsourcing good jobs overseas to places like India

those that control the information have the power, and we are giving away that power on a silver platter... talk about a national security risk

 

9/11 was no false flag. Homeland Security came into existence because of the various agencies did not communicate with one another on certain intelligence issues prior to 9/11 according to the blue ribbon commission that was commenced after the attack by GWB. In the 2002 Bill that created Homeland Security, it also created the joint terrorism task force, emphasizing more on terrorism, both domestically and internationally, with those agencies. The whole point of DHS is domestic protection with immigration, sea with the Coast Guard, and even biological and chemical protection, among other things. Yes, it is a large department with the number of agencies involved, but all were already part of the US government. What happened with immigration is that INS was broken into three agencies: USCIS, CBP, and ICE. They are all separate now but were all a part of INS prior to the DHS standing up.

 

but isn't that capitalism? And who are those outsourcing jobs like customer service for a cell phone, credit card or gasp, a travel club membership? But at the same time, that is what the public wants, 24/7 service. And you cannot get that here in the US. You might get it from PST 8am to 6pm sort of thing and you will have to adjust your time schedule accordingly if you don't live in that time zone. But that is the limit we have because you can't get the 24/7 that the public generally wants.

If you think about it, if you decide to put a customer call center with 24/7, staffed 24/7, then where would you put that call center. Definitely not downtown. Maybe in the suburbs of a major Metro Area, but that means leasing costs, generally will be higher. Then for those who work the midnight shift or shift 3, then you will have to consider paying time and a half for those employees, assuming you can get qualified candidates, enough of them, to work those hours. And finally, you will need security, especially from 6pm to 7am at whatever location, or maybe security 24/7 if the office complex does not do this. So, it is cheaper to outsource, still get quality people to work for them and meet their expectations and demands from the parent company.

BTW, there is only one or two companies in India that do this for us Westerners

 

I think you need to understand. 1/2 of it is for foreign intervention and the other 1/2 is for corruption.

If it was actually spent on defense, we could easily have a stronger military with 20% of the current budget.

 

We, the American public, want cheap labor because we don't want higher prices. Oh hell, most Americans were complaining about higher costs when we had inflation at 9% and were blaming Biden for it. If we decide to put Americans instead of immigrants or migrants, we will have higher prices, fewer products, and less quality to boot on those cheap products in which we will stop spending, which means our GDP goes down, which means we have a recession, which means whoever is POTUS will get blamed instead of us blaming ourselves for being so stupid to begin with. Remember, we buy a lot of cheap **** in our market and do it very frequently, like literally a constant and continuous basis. We know if we buy a cheap alarm clock that cost $5 because of that cheap labor, we know we will buy it again because we know that clock will not last long. But we buy it anyway because we are not concerned with exuberance in our bedroom or personal space like our home. We always look for the cheaper deal whether it is furniture, paintings and pictures in our home, and so forth, and not the quality to boot first. If we did, then we will be spending very sparingly on Picassos and the first original paintings, not replicas. Thus we, as consumers, always want cheap labor. But we as consumers don't know or understand where that cheap labor comes from. It does not concern us for the most part. All we want is avocados 365 days a year or any other fruit or vegetable or meat or whatever. And that is all we care about. We look at price first for most items. Only with cars and a few other items that we purchase every few years are we really concerned about the quality of the product.

 

Basically all IT jobs are going overseas, which include customer service, IT, Development, and anything else they can move

which also means other countries control our data..... if self-driving cars, they can control those too

but the concern is, those were good jobs for our children

sure, foreign outsourcing is great for India... just bad for the Country doing the outsourcing

as far as calling it Capitalism.... I refer to it as greedy Corporatism

 

the more good jobs that go overseas, the less money we Americans have to spend, which results in more Corps ship jobs overseas for cheaper stuff, the less money we have.... and round and round it goes.... it won't be a good outcome if everyone does it

not to mention the national security risk of letting other countries control our systems and data

planned obsolesces is built into our big ticket items now too, even cars

and yes, some imports are good, some outsourcing is good, but if everyone does it for everything, it's bad news for the country

 

Only congress and in some cases with limitations can the President Decide that. But so far we have not intervened in Ukraine officially. Unofficially, we are sending older equipment that is being replaced by newer equipment and that is all we are doing.

Procurement, as I have pointed out numerous times, is enveloped with an automatic 10% to 20% waste in that padding of the purchase of the equipment that we need. It is one reason why the Seawolf and Zimwalt Destroyers were limited to three ships per each class. We now have the Virginia class and that will eventually replace the Los Angeles Class attack submarines. We have a DDX, and a FFX, and now developing the Ford Class with all of these problems. We have the F35 with all of its problems because we didn't build the damn airplane to begin with. Just bought what the paper and computer models told us. If the GOP really wants to reduce fraud, waste, and abuse, go to the DoD procurement areas and start from there. You will get far more savings than stopping foreign aid, eliminating social safety nets, and other programs that the extreme right want to eliminate. Numbers don't lie, do they?

 

as the world population grows more and more, won't matter where you live, the rich will try to make it so the bottom 90% can consume less and less, as they will see it as a threat to their lifestyle

 

Eventually, that is the case because of many reasons. It is easier for a company to contract an IT job overseas than it is to bring that person in through immigration. Immigration costs for visa processing have gone through the roof since Trump was in office and now Biden is in office. It is getting so expensive that those who are in love with a person from overseas are now more willing to move there than to bring that person here because of cost. And that is one reason why we are having an increase in citizens leaving this country. Nothing to do with politics whatsoever.

Our children will learn good jobs. In the early 1990s, Ross Perot offered a job offer to people with little IT experience or education to become programmers for his company. that was in the early 1990s. The pay was good. While in training for 6 months, assuming you pass the tests, you were paid $38k a year. If you graduate from the program, your pay was $90k a year with bonuses and advancement, along with benefits to continue your education. By 2001, all of those jobs were gone, completely, and went to other IT administrative jobs, cybersecurity and so forth. The IT jobs are website development. Cybersecurity is still here, and many are contractors that companies are more willing to hire than as an employee. Companies are getting lean when it comes to employees, but are spending on contractors like it is Christmas. This saves on costs, benefits, and other issues that they may have in their industry.

With the children, new jobs may come. for young people today, that job is a social influencer. Most don't make it, but few do. And any YT , Tiktok, IG, FB, and others are inundated with this stuff. 10 years from now, who knows. We will have something new job or line of work for us to consider. Remember, in the 1950s, most of the jobs we had were not even in our imagination were they?

 

Even the rich will be held accountable. they may be last, but they wont skip what is happening.

The issue with water and food supply. That is our main concern with a growing population. The US and China basically have the same land mass. But we, in the US, have a far lesser population density as a whole than China does. We will have to adjust. First, we build up, not out, we improve our infrastructure and mass transportation in the suburbs and the urban areas. No longer is the dream of a big house, four bedrooms, three baths, two or three cars, two kids, a doting spouse, a dog and a cat to boot. We just haven't accepted the new reality yet and why we are moving out onto land that used to be farm and ranch land so we can build houses, and every type of strip center we can think of.

 

I vote the statement by Ike about the Military Industrial Congressional Complex as the most important warning, and unfortunately now as the best summary of the US in the post war era.

It happened exactly as he said and too few people are interested in what is going on to stop it.

 

We have a few candidates for president who don't think the primary job of president is to start wars: Donald Trump, RFKjr, and previous candidate Tulsi Gabbard.

The main goal of both parties, and the media is to bad mouth them all in any way possible, and as much as possible to ignore them.

 

Take it up with consumers. They want cheaper products. Businesses are guided by what their customers want. Fire up some tariffs to raise the cost of cheap inputs to help American manufacturers be more competitive. Otherwise government should stay out of it.

 

there are plenty of Americans that need and want those jobs that corporations are outsourcing overseas, this is pure corporate greed at this point