How do we spend 3/4 trillion dollars on defense, yet our borders are insecure?

of course, pay has not kept up with inflation

what consumers really want is to be able to afford quality, American made products that last..... but Corporate greed will never allow that

I am all for tariffs and new laws restricting foreign outsourcing, making both cost more for the corps

 

oh I agree, the rich will pay too, as the 90% will revolt, but that is down the line, best never to get to that point - even Rome fell

there will be a hard transition at some point, history shows this happening over and over and we are on that path again

 

Donald Trump could get us into another war...

 

Kinda like the French Revolution of 1797?

 

yep, if the working class have no hope, then resetting the board and restarting the game over makes sense, what do they have to lose

 

Eventually, even some of the poor will become corrupt and will have to be guillotined such as Georges Danton, Louis de Saint-Just, and Maximilien Robespierre. Robespierre is an interesting one who pretty much guillotined every royal he came across with, even those who supported the revolution.

 

yep, at first the working class will fight each other, then they will unite against the 10%

 

Ah. A former government employee. That explains a lot.

Look. The process we have now for application for immigration isn't changing with my idea. What changes is the physical location to initially process that application. Your yammering about how labor intensive the process is and how long it takes is nothing much more than a testament of the ability of the government to screw up an otherwise straightforward process.

The point of bonding visas isn't to keep people out, it's to make sure they leave when they no longer meet the conditions of the visa they came here with. According to most reports, HALF OF THE ILLEGAL MIGRANTS IN THE COUNTRY TODAY CAME HERE ON A VISA.

So, genius, what's your solution since we don't want our foreign students/employees/patients/tourists to face any kind of consequence for overstaying their visa, and for darn sure we don't want them to put skin in the game to come here, eh?

Now. My career as a consultant spanned 40 years, and I consulted with many hundreds of small businesses, as well as Fortune 100 companies. In fact, the last decade of my career was spent consulting almost exclusively with Fortune 500 companies on all things Human Resource related.

E-Verify, when it was introduced in 2005(?) was of course the bane of Human Resource managers. It was slow, it wasn't accurate, it slowed the hiring process. But it got better, and today the entire process takes only a few minutes, the response is quick and much more accurate. Today, all Federal contractors and employers with more than 15 employees are mandated to use it. Moving that target to all employers would not overly burden employers. The great vast majority of those small employers, by the way, have fewer than 5 employees and might hire an employee every second year. My daughter owns a small business with 7 employees, and she hires about 3 employees a year. I encouraged her to use e Verify even though she doesn't have to, and its proven worth the time for her.

Requiring the use of E verify is not the huge burden on employers you think it is. A background check (even a fully automated one), creating a payroll file, and dealing with payroll deductions/benefits are all far more onerous. Especially for a small business whether they use a payroll company or do it themselves.
And it isn't expensive if a payroll company handles the onboarding.

So much for overly burdensome for employers, eh?

Now, fixing the worlds problems;
Not our job.
That isn't isolationism, it isn't elitism and it isn't racism.
It's reality.
We can't fix the dumpster fires now burning in South America, or Africa, or Eastern Europe with our immigration policies.

Immigration policies should address 3 things; control LEGAL migration to this country, and yes, we are a nation of immigrants, we need immigrants, we benefit greatly from having immigrants.
Protect the sanctity of our borders. If we do not have secure borders, we are no longer a nation, are we? It's job one for every president, and as Reagan famously said;
"A nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation."

Provide an ongoing stream of labor/citizens to feed our society. And yes, that means we should only allow immigrants who bring something to the table, as it were. We are not obligated to accept the unskilled, uneducated, criminal elements that other countries have created. We have an absolute right to allow only the best of other societies to join ours.
You can agree with that, can't you, Mr. government employee?

American citizenship is one of the most valuable citizenships in the world. If we aren't willing to protect it's sanctity, we are not true patriots. We welcome immigrants; we want immigrants, we need immigrants. But as a nation of laws, if we won't require immigrants to follow the law to become citizens we put lie to the entire value of being an American.

That said, the economic and social problems that drive people to want to become Americans are problems for other countries to solve. We cannot, and we should not, and we learned a very painful lesson about that every time we involved ourselves in the internal politics of South American countries, mid east countries, and even African countries. Help with humanitarian aid? Of course. Help with economic aid and economic incentives? Yes, absolutely. Dictate to other countries how they should fix their problems? No. Hell no.

So while I have not been a State department employee or an embassy employee, I'm entitled to my opinions about our foreign relations, and your arrogant "I'm from the government I know what's best" attitude doesn't impress me one bit. In fact, it only underscores the problem with big government in America; the MILLIONS of government employees collectively think they know better than any citizen, and you've collectively forgotten who you work for, and what your job is.

So if you don't like my fix for immigration you can start suggesting your own fixes, or you can declare the system to be just fine as is, or you can step back and let the people most impacted by ILLEGAL migration vent a bit and see do we have a fix for it.

 

Well, a job is a job is a job. My professional experience is with government analytics. My volunteer and personal experience is with immigration. I actually sponsored my spouse in 2002 using the immigration process. So I am quite familiar with the process, generally. Second, if an immigrant is spending money to obtain a visa, gets approved, and goes through customs and get approved, then there is already plenty of assurances there. All people coming to America go through a background check, an FBI check and so forth. They all do. They also have to provide access and passwords to their social media accounts, and so forth. I told you the rest. And that cost money, and in their eyes, significant money. And they have the money to buy international airfare. From Asia, that can get quite expensive. But with the bond visa and visa overstays, which is a problem, the solution may be to change the law in that US Citizens cannot adjudicate anyone who is a visa overstay, even if they have a baby and meet all the other requirements. or we can forgo the US Constitution, or more likely suspend it, and ask for papers by anyone and everyone. Since we are not a homogeneous society, this is the only way to be done, and those officers and the removal of the Posse Comitatus Act would allow both US Soldiers on active duty and the local police department to use extreme prejudice if you don't comply with the orders. Otherwise, all Vance is doing is offering the same type of problem in reverse that Joe Biden offered with his student loan debt. Vance and you are punishing legal immigrants who are following the laws because a few in the past have not. In addition, you really don't want brown, Asian or African tourists here for some odd reason and that is another concern of mine because people like you always gravitate, eventually, to that idea. But in all reality, the Bond Visa program will stop short-stay immigration to a standstill. No one wants to pay the additional $$$$$$$$ that is way out of their league to begin with, after they have paid for all the other expenses to get here and prove that they won't come to begin with despite the political spin and ignorance that Vance is showing here, not to mention you.

Yes, I have provided my own suggestions to fix our immigration system. But I won't go into detail or start a new thread since I have posted this suggestion many times in many different threads. Second, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you are going to debate me, know your ****. You don't. It is that simple. I do, it is also that simple.

And simply regurgitating the same stuff is simply a BS post. And not worth the response.

 

Aahhh.....so its different this time. Now they're really gonna get you.

You thought correctly.

 

Spoken like a career government employee. I'd hold my tongue.....but about the F35....it's a POS and nothing will change that.

 

The only problem is we don't have enough enemies...

 

Are the US borders defended by the military? If so, which branch?

 

And you're liberal and preach the gospel, eh? Well first off, ALL non-immigrant visas take at most 5 minutes to check the protocols AND conduct the interview. On that point @Shutcie is correct. You make this out to be rocket science when in fact it isn't. It's really a joke.

So your student visas, work visas, business and tourist visas, F1, B1, B2 etc. are 5 minute decisions. And ALL non-immigrant visas (the vast majority of visas) use DS-160 forms, not DS-260.

DS-260 forms for immigrant visas take a bit longer but the interview isn't much different. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. I take....well I know...you aren't familiar with visa processes.

So when you're trying to make someone look small in the future, make sure you know damn well what you're talking about.

 

Wondered how long it would take you to play the race card. Pretty much ends the adult part of the discussion doesn't it.

Ah well. To be just crystal clear I don't give a butterfly fart what color, heritage or continent we're talking about.
Your experience with a single immigration sponsor doesn't make you an expert. Claiming your experience makes you an expert of some sort is just arrogant.

A bond need not be expensive and as with all bonds, if you are compliant you get your bond back.

Guess we're done here, eh?

 

Government can destroy the value of the dollar faster than the economy can react to it. The worst greed is in government. It is the greed for power. The tariff idea is not to raise prices. The purpose is to motivate companies to move production back home. Those companies would prefer to produce in the U.S. The consumers won't accept the higher prices that would entail. It is why outsourcing happened in the first place. Businesses pay attention to what their customers want and work to address those wants. A business that does not do that isn't likely to last long. Try not to school me on business. I'm way ahead of you on that subject.

 

Stop this corporate greed nonsense. Business profits are the source of all wealth in our society, Yours, mine and that of the "greedy" businessmen. Do you think the U.S. became the place everybody wants to call home by sheer luck?

 

greedy corporations are destroying capitalism

there is a difference between being a profitable business and being a greedy one that outsources all its jobs to be even more profitable

slave labor was profitable too - but also wrong

do you think if Americans don't have jobs, it will still be the great place for our grand children that it was for us?

 

Why should a corporation hire a rich person in the US when there are desperately poor people around the world who need jobs?

 

they can hire who ever they want, we just need to make it cost the same either way

do all republicans support foreign outsourcing...

 

Why?

Why are you asking me this question?

 

it's bad for the American economy to do otherwise and a national security risk to boot

 

It seems rather selfish to deny desperately poor people the opportunity to have a job.

 

we don't destroy American, so some people in India can have jobs, that is pretty selfish of India to do that to America

 

I suggested you stop trying to school me about business from your position of ignorance on the subject and you ignored me. So now I ignore you.