How far away is the next American civil war?

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How far away is the next American civil war?

  1. 1-5 years

    3 vote(s)
    7.0%
  2. 5-10 years

    4 vote(s)
    9.3%
  3. 10-15 years

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  4. 15-20 years

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. 20-30 years

    2 vote(s)
    4.7%
  6. There will be no civil war

    26 vote(s)
    60.5%
  7. The union will disolve peacfully

    2 vote(s)
    4.7%
  8. Other. ( please write in below )

    5 vote(s)
    11.6%
  1. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    How far away is the next American civil war?

    I like to ask this question once in a while. and when I originally started putting this poll up many years ago. Long before Trump was even in office, people would laugh at me and tell me I was nuts.

    Slowly but surely, people have started to take this question seriously.

    Last time, over 50% ( up from like 1% when I started, which was basically only me ) agreed a civil war was coming, but could not agree on the time frame.

    IMO, civil war is inevitable. Its a 90% chance that it will happen in America.

    I personally dont think it will be drawn battle lines. but more like Ireland of the 80's / 90's. Bombings. Assassinations. Small pockets of flash violence. Etc Etc.
     
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    That (bolded) has already started.
     
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    There will not be another civil war in the US. Ever.

    Stop dreaming.

    The world wouldn't allow it. Too many nukes in our control and spread out all over the world.
     
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  4. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Not a chance.
     
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  5. Pro_Line_FL

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    There won't be one.

    There might be some level of insurgency / domestic terrorism inspired by someone like Trump, who has proven to be capable of manipulating his loyalists into doing almost anything.
     
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    Well domestic terrorism, does not equate to a Civil War-- so you are falsely conflating things. Will we see bombings and the like-- of course; these things have been happening all along. There have been, for example, bombings and burnings of medical clinics, which provided abortion services. There was Timothy McVeigh's Oklahoma City bombing. More recently, there have been attacks on our energy grid. And what about all of the mass shooting incidents? Yes, unrest is certain. Civil War, though, is quite another matter.




    P.S.-- I see that, at the moment, you are apparently, once again the only vote saying that Civil War is inevitable. Makes me curious about the bunch you'd polled, in which half believed that such an eventuality was unavoidable.
     
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  7. Joe knows

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    I think we will be attacked by a foreign power and lose ground before a civil war ever happens
     
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    That’s the only thing that will happen. There will be no coordinated effort of states like the civil war.
     
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    Right. I mean, what would the war be about? The Civil War was about cessation of 11 States in the South, and there is no way that could happen again.
     
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    Most likely America will just continue in its dysfunctional state, getting better and worse here and there, but perhaps being eclipsed by China as the main superpower. Maybe as the older generations die off, a less partisan realignment will occur. I do expect it would be liberals vs moderates, conservatives will likely die off based upon facts like this: "That millennials voted more Democratic in Biden’s first midterm than they had in 2016 appeared to indicate that aging effects were essentially nil: Millennials were becoming no more conservative (and, perhaps, even a bit more liberal) as they got older. Which would suggest that generational replacement is poised to devastate the conservative movement." Millennials Will Not Age Into Voting Like Boomers (nymag.com)

    Less likely would be a peaceful dissolution into conservative and liberal countries. Even less likely would be an actual civil war.
     
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  11. Joe knows

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    It’s a completely different mentality now. Back then it’s understandable how it could have happened because people looked at their state as their own little country. The pride of state was huge. Now it’s more like the pride for the red white and blue. I don’t ever see a civil war happening again. I suppose maybe one state may try and I think that state is Texas but I don’t see any state trying it again.
     
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    It's already over. So everyone can relax.
     
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    There won't be a civil war with guns, etc

    We are in a cold civil war and it is getting worse every day. It will explode next Nov regardless of which party wins.
     
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    We are already engaged in a civil war. This one is psychological, sociological, and economic!

    Very briefly, I roughly compare our political situation to that experienced by Germans in the dying years of the Weimar Republic in the 1920's and very early 1930's. Economic disruption, corruption, and a fundamental dislocation of all that was "German" in Germany! What's been happening in America, especially in the aftermath of the gigantic fraud known as "the Great Recession", is frighteningly similar. We're one large-scale economic upheaval away from the real beginning stages of a slow-moving, but permanent national 'implosion'.
     
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    A civil war is too terrible for me to speculate. On the other hand, other than ideology, how would the opponents identify one another? Would it be the Heartland against the Coasts? If there would ever be violence at such a scale I believe it would be more of a Revolution. Before it really got off the ground though, I think China would play it's hand.
     
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    There will be no civil war. The folks who want one are mostly too old to fight it.
     
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    Instead of a civil war, I think that a more likely scenario would be that the USGov just stops being effective and states are just left to themselves to survive. I think of Roman Britian. Rome had bigger problems and they just pulled out and said, "So long, you guys are on your own".

    But for civil war, the scenario I see is one (one will start it. others will likely follow) state either saying "The compact is broken because the USGov has violated the terms, and we are out of here". Basically quitting the union. Or another scenario might be that they don't say "we're seceding", but they pretty much give the bird to the USGov and say, "Yeah, we're not doing all this stuff you say we should do."
     
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    Only the idiots on the extreme left and right might get violent. The rest of us will shake our heads at how they can get so worked up over things that are so meaningless and insignificant. Life will carry on as normal, and likely get better than it already is for the rest of us. Life is amazing here in the US. Only fools want to start a war.
     
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    1. X state can't balance their budget and Y state doesn't want to bail them out.

    2. X state has obvious voter fraud and Y state doesn't want their vote negated by fraud.

    3. The Federal government keeps infringing on the 10th Amendment and we can't get enough states to initiate an Article V convention.

    4. X state isn't happy about putting their grid at risk because the feds don't think they are "green" enough.

    Lots of things could trigger a Civil War II. The Feds threatened to shut down interstate travel to and from Texas if Texas decided to press charges against TSA for groping passengers. Stuff happens and it doesn't always make sense to everybody.
     
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    those would all be really stupid reasons to start a war and kill people over.
     
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    Wars have been started over more stupid things.
     
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    True enough.
     
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    The next civil war will be over the issue of abortion. Red states want to issue an abortion ban in their states' constitutions. It will be the rallying cry of the right! If only the voters would let them.
    ;)
     
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    False.
     
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    I don't see the "people" warring against each other, beyond vigilantism, but I do see a general drop in tax paying, permitting, etc., plus the smuggling of items in and out for taxation benefits.
    In California, a person who knows his stuff can make a good living cash under the table.
    I also expect a huge uptick in organized crime as the government loses its public mandate due to corruption, and prices get higher and mail out merchandising gets easier.
    Society will continue to stratify, with gains made by Asians nullified for being part of troublesome Asians, and black progress nullified by the aura of violence, all pushed along by whites and hispanics refusing to be pushed aside, thus stratifying the American dream along racial and family lines.
    Trying to get a jury together will be hopeless. Who will take sides with the corrupt state? "If I vote guilty, will some clerk sell Fang Ho my name and address?":
    Just a few days ago, saw a bumper sticker in a truck window: "Kill your local heroin dealer. I did.
    If you want to see a symptom of a failed government state, this is it.
     
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