How it Was Done: 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition

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  1. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    Yet you fail to provide any evidence for these 'outcomes'.
     
  2. genericBob

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    The evidence does not require massive pages of numbers to get it.
    the fact is that its a crap-shoot, if any given weld/joint/bolt within the tower were to give-way prematurely ( or for that matter hang on longer than its neighbors ) there would be quite a different outcome because the "pile driver" mass would get off-center and therefore dump mass quantities of material over the side of the tower, depriving the "pile driver" of mass and therefore stopping the action before total destruction of the tower.

    The insistence that gravity acts straight down only marginally useful for the purpose of this discussion as witnessed by the action of the top bit of the South Tower. this tipping proves that it is possible for the upper mass to become misaligned and again its an odds thing, what are the odds that the tilted top of the South Tower could still cause the total collapse of the whole structure right down to ground level? Probability plays a large part in this because its supposed to have been a gravity powered "collapse" and therefore would depend on the uniformity of all the connections within the tower to cause the complete destruction of said tower.
    if any of the connections were to be inconsistent, the upper mass would most certainly gone off-center and therefore stopped the action before the total destruction of the tower. Not only in the consistency of the connections within the tower, but the expectation is of total consistency in the rubble falling from above, again if there were an inconsistency, the "pile driver" would go off-center and stop the action.
     
  3. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    No massive pages from you are needed,ANY would refreshing
     
  4. genericBob

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    INFORMATION is INFORMATION be it brief or verbose.
    the fact that the Official story fan-club has out of hand rejected
    all of the evidence to show that airliners were not used as weapons
    that day, speaks volumes.
     
  5. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Like I said,any would be refreshing...
     
  6. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    It makes no difference if they talk. Being part of an intelligence agency means that you never carry documents that can prove who you've worked for, especially after a very special secret operation. They never acknowledge that you have worked for them in 90% of circumstances. Those who could talk choose to shut up because they know no one would believe them. In most cases agents get to know the identity of no more than 1 or 2 fellow agents, so there's no way to organize a protest within such an institution. As soon as you become a dissident you are deemed an unemployed nutter seeking attention and that's what most smart people would rather avoid (no employment record, remember)?.
     
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    You have been given INFORMATION and lots of it,
    only you refuse to consider it. oh well ........
     
  8. Hannibal

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    None from the 'truther' side. They have produced no evidence, just incredulity in bucketloads.

    Apparently that's all they have. oh well .....
     
  9. genericBob

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    actual references to laws of nature
    allegedly do not count as evidence?

    what?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Makes no sense.....Not even a deathbed confession to be had
     
  11. genericBob

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    In order to be heard, any "deathbed confession" would have to be reported by the media, only the media will not report on "crackpot" bits, therefore even if it happened, you will never hear about it.
     
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    Oh but of course!.....<sarcasm>.

    That's really convenient,and typical of truther logic
     
  13. genericBob

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    Can you imagine showing up at a major media office and telling the gate keeper that you have a video of an FBI / CIA / KGB agent who was a part of the 9/11/2001 false flag confessing on their deathbed to having been part of the criminal act. ... and just exactly what sort of response do you expect?
     
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    This isn't a movie. Take the tape/ confession to anywhere else in the world, then. Release it on the internet. You can't be this dense in reality.
     
  15. Vlad Ivx

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    There are some. They are ridiculed, just as expected, by private press, by uninformed ones, by you and so on. Besides, they may fear retaliation, intimidation. They may fear being labelled enemies of the US. The Patriot Act applies as soon as someone is arbitrarily, subjectively labelled a danger even if that may not be the case.
     
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    Link to a confession please.
     
  17. Vlad Ivx

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G43zl4fzDQg

    Sounds like yet another case when the govt comes up with charges for fictitious wrongdoings as a pretext to separate you from society and possibly drugs you in secret while interrogating you to reduce your credibility on the basis of a medical condition. Don't get me wrong. There's good people and crook, insensitive people out there, everywhere. Same goes for the NSA, CIA, FBI and so on. You don't think they're all saints, do you?
     
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    Need a link to a confession, please. Someone who was 'in on it' and confessed. You mentioned there were several.
     
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    R u asking this question for real? Those directly involved would not confess obviously. Why would a murderer confess on TV, only to be slayed the minute he steps onto a public street by grieving Americans? If you had been one of the CIA pilots who flew drones into the WTC from behind a screen, would you just go and tell about it on TV? What a question to ask. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet and some 40 to 60 people below them know that they are all in it and don't worry about betrayal from each other because they all have their shirts stained with victim blood.

    Who would step out to say they are mass murderers? What a question to ask...
     
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    If they were DYING.....:roll:
     
  21. Vlad Ivx

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    Hehe well they're not that old yet. They might confess just before dying of old age, unless they have children and want the future secured for them. Hopefully most of them have no children. Field operatives probably don't for obvious reasons. They are usually people with no family instincts whatsoever.
     
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    The Destruction of the World Trade Center:
    Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
    David Ray Griffin


    Jones, Steven E., 2006. "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" In Griffin and Scott, eds., 2006.

    Heller, David, 2005. "Taking a Closer Look: Hard Science and the Collapse of the World Trade Center," Garlic and Grass, Issue 6, November 24 (http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue6/Dave_Heller.cfm).

    Hoffman, Jim, 2003. “The North Tower's Dust Cloud: Analysis of Energy Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the Collapse of 1 World Trade Center,” Version 3, 9-11 Research.wtc7.net, October 16 (http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/volume.html).

    _____, 2004. “Your Eyes Don’t Lie: Common Sense, Physics, and the World Trade Center Collapses,” 9-11 Research.wtc7.net (http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/radio/youreyesdontlie/index.html).

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    Meyer, Peter, n.d. “Did the Twin Towers Collapse on Demand?”, Section 3 of “The World Trade Center Demolition and the so-Called War on Terrorism,” Serendipity (www.serendipity.li/wtc.html).
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