How many Jews died in the gas chambers?

Please link to what you're citing.

Do you think those speeches to which I linked are bogus? I suppose I can't rule that out. Do you think the stuff you say you've read might be bogus?

I never said I believed it. I'm not in a position to verify anything. All I can do is find clear contradictions with the official narrative. Assuming the speech isn't bogus, Hitler said that the invasion of Russia was a pre-emptive strike that was necessary because Russia was about to invade Western Europe. I don't know whether he was lying or not. The point I'm making is that he told the people that it was a pre-emptive strike. According to the official narrative Hitler told the German people that they were invading Russia to expand German territory and the German people agreed with him. That is an obvious lie. If we've found one obvious lie in the official narrative, we should be suspicious about everything in the official narrative.

 

After what you wrote about the Academia and The Journal of Historical Review I understand why you cannot find any information about ‘the mythical homicidal gas chambers’, so let me help you:
First you ask AI, my favored is AI Perplexity: “do we have a blueprints of gas chambers which Germans used to murder Jews?”
AI answered:
Yes, blueprints of gas chambers used by the Nazis to murder Jews during the Holocaust have been discovered12. In 2008, a set of 29 documents, including blueprints, drawings, photos, and technical plans for the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp, were found in an abandoned apartment in Berlin2. These documents, which include detailed sketches of gas chambers and crematoria, were acquired by the German newspaper Bild and later turned over to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority in Israel2.
The blueprints provide chilling evidence of the systematic planning that went into the Nazi's "Final Solution" to exterminate the Jewish people12. They show the technical details of the gas chambers and crematoria, revealing how these facilities were designed to efficiently murder large numbers of people1. Some of the documents even bear notes or signatures from senior Nazi officials, including Heinrich Himmler2.
These blueprints are considered extraordinary documentation of how a major building operation served as a central tool of Nazi extermination policy1. They demonstrate that the Holocaust was not just a series of random events, but a carefully planned and executed genocide2.

Also AI give links to these documents:

Architecture of Murder
The Auschwitz-Birkenau Blueprints
https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/through-the-lens/auschwitz-blueprints.asp

Architecture of Murder artifacts come to NIM
https://www.army.mil/article/146019/architecture_of_murder_artifacts_come_to_nim

Gas chambers and crematoria at Birkenau
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/holocaust/gas-chambers-crematoria-birkenau/

The Killing Evolution
https://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/killing/

Auschwitz architectural plans uncovered
German paper Bild: Blueprints leave no doubt as to the genocidal purpose of the Auschwitz camp.
https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/jewish-news/auschwitz-architectural-plans-uncovered

And now: How many Jews were murdered in the gas chambers?
Again Perplexity answers:
While exact figures are difficult to determine, millions of Jews were murdered in gas chambers during the Holocaust. At Auschwitz alone, a conservative and reliable estimate indicates that at least 1.1 million people were gassed to death, with 90 percent of them being Jews. The four large crematoria built at Auschwitz II (Birkenau) in early 1943 had the capacity to dispose of approximately 4,400 corpses per day. During the deportation of Hungarian Jews in 1944, more than 380,000 were brought to Auschwitz-Birkenau in just over two months, with most being gassed and cremated. This period saw such high numbers that the camp's ovens were overtaxed, forcing authorities to resort to burning bodies on pyres. Gas chambers were also used at other extermination camps. At Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka, hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered using exhaust gas from diesel engines. The total number of Jews killed in gas chambers across all camps and locations during the Holocaust is estimated to be in the millions, though a precise count is not possible due to the Nazis' efforts to conceal evidence and the lack of complete records.

The Killing Evolution
https://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/killing/

Gas Chambers
https://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft Word - 6234.pdf

You can also ask chatGPT, Mistral, Gemini or Antropic the same questions, but first ask them if they not not controlled by the International Jewry.

 

Just what I thought.

Still not one single blueprint or photo of just one homicidal gas chamber of the hundreds required to kill millions of people.

Not even one...

All that Holocaust Industry fodder and MSM Groupthink and still nothing to refute common sense.

 

why do i get the feeling that everyone who claims that there was no gassings are not interested in the truth but have an issue with Jews?

 

Just what I thought - you are don't know how look on the internet pages, so here is a page you are looking for:


If you still don't understand, try to understand this:
https://www.reuters.com/article/lif...uschwitz-camp-found-in-germany-idUSTRE4A71SC/

If you still don't see see any evidence of gas chambers - I am giving up, continue to believe that Academia is nothing more than the worst of Groupthink, that "Academia" mentality tortured people who didn't believe that the earth was the center of our solar system and only IHR know the truth. You can also believe that IHR never lost a $50,000 reward offered to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz, and Zionist controlled Wikipedia is lying:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Mermelstein

 

That's an easy one.

You can't refute the fact that HOMICIDAL gas chambers are as much a part of Allied propaganda as "The Electrical Conveyor Belt of Death" (1), the "vaporizer" (2) the "human skin" lampshades, shrunken heads, "human fat" soap and other well known hoaxes so you are left with only slander "...issues with Jews".

Have you considered that after the British broke the Enigma code, they were able to intercept German radio transmission? If "millions" were being gassed over a period of years don't you think that there would be at least one mention of homicidal gas chambers?

There were reports of executions by shooting and and hanging but there is absolutely no mention of mass gassing in these countless radio transmissions?


Please explain why?



(1). "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"

https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


(2). "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
http://ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales." CONTINUED



(3). "The Enemy Is Listening!"
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028

EXCERPT "Oddly, only a very few Holocaust historians were interested in the information on the concentration camps. The reason for this astonishing lack of interest is presumably due to the following remark by author Hinsley:

The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates,[4] mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.

To sum up, the following facts may be considered established: The messages deciphered at Bletchley Park undoubtedly constitute one of the most reliable sources on the course of events during the Second World War. They provide information on undertakings of the German army, navy, and air force. They provide an insight into the events occurring behind the Russian front and the conditions in the concentration camps. Since the reports from Auschwitz contain no information on mass killings, the question of whether the British Intelligence Service "knew about the Holocaust," can be answered with a single word: "No!. CONTINUED

 

there are hundreds of thousands of pages of proof. there are people who testified to the gassings. you ignore the evidence

why do you do that
what is your motive

 

STILL NO HOMICIDAL GASS CHAMBERS

I've never said that there were no "gas chambers" / delousing chambers; I've only repeatedly shown over and over that there were no HOMICIDAL gas chambers.

Dishonest Holocaustians insist that that any drawing with "Gas chamber" is a Homicidal gas chamber instead of the delousing chamber it really was.


"Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp"
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721

EXCERPT "Prof. Robert Jan van Pelt, a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz,

Van Pelt, an architectural historian, said that copies of the plans of the stages of the camp's construction were also in the archive of the Polish National Museum at Auschwitz and in an archive in Moscow.

Van Pelt said he also doubted the authenticity of the signature of the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler, since such a high-ranking officer would not have signed such plans, and none of the copies he had ever seen bore such a signature.

Van Pelt also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work.

Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED




Apparently, I have to educate you, again, as to what footnotes are since you are either too dishonest or obtuse to note that every fact they cite comes from a credible source.

For example, I've used the following to show how Germany's SS helped establish Israel by training Jews to farm as well as receive German military training and military arms. (Below)
In other words the Zionist terrorist gangs responsible for the Nakba were armed and trained by Germany's SS.
Where else would Jews get military grade weaponry and military training except from the Nazis?

I don't know how to explain to you what a foot note is or its function in any simpler terms than I have for months.

The footnotes are blue and supported by the books listed in blue, below: # 19, # 20, #21, & # 22


“Zionism and the Third Reich”
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED

19. Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (New York: Bantam, pb., 1976), pp. 253-254.; Max Nussbaum, "Zionism Under Hitler," Congress Weekly (New York: American Jewish Congress), Sept. 11, 1942.; F. Nicosia, The Third Reich (1985), pp. 58-60, 217.; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), p. 175.

20. H. Höhne, The Order of the Death's Head (Ballantine, pb., 1984), pp. 380-382.; K. Schleunes, Twisted Road (1970, 1990), p. 226.; Secret internal SS intelligence report about F. Polkes, June 17, 1937, in: John Mendelsohn, ed., The Holocaust (New York: Garland, 1982), vol. 5, pp. 62-64.

21. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), pp. 63-64, 105, 219-220.

22. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), p. 160.

Since you don't know what footnotes are, it's impossible for you to know anything about "Academia" and its alleged virtues.
Finally, since slander is a primary tool of gullible Holocaustian cult members, your dishonest slurs about IHR are a pathetic substitute for an honest refutation.

 

No there isn't.

When someone was free and able to cross-examine them under oath, their testimonies collapsed.

Go ahead - start with one testimony. We'll discuss.

Some on your side deny the testimony of those they don't like. I call that Holocaust denial.

Why do they do that?

What's their motive?

 

my motive is that I find the neo-nazi mindset disgusting-just as I find the Third Reich's extermination of millions disgusting.
the only people who try to pretend that the nazis somehow didn't murder millions are virulent Jew Haters in my experience

 

One of us is confused – if you believe there were gas chambers in concentrations camps, why do you want to see “one single blueprint or photo of just one homicidal gas chamber”? If the gas chamber was big enough to fit there a group of people, had a strong doors, it could have dual use – murdering people, killing animals or delousing.
I hope you not so gullible that you expect to see a blueprint with text “this is a gas chamber for gassing Jews”.

So if you believe there were gas chambers, I am sure you know there are thousands of whiteness that gas chambers were used to murder people, so what king of proof you are looking for?
If you want to offer a financial prize for verifiable "proof that gas chambers for the purpose of killing human beings existed at or in Auschwitz" - let me know first, I will try to follow Mel Mermelstein steps:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Mermelstein

Well, I think I understand your logic - for people who believe that Academia is nothing more than the worst of Groupthink, that "Academia" mentality tortured people who didn't believe that the earth was the center of our solar system and only IHR knows the truth - it is obvious that below link you posted is a proof that Germans didn't murder people in gas chambers(**),

(**) “Zionism and the Third Reich”
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED

19. Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (New York: Bantam, pb., 1976), pp. 253-254.; Max Nussbaum, "Zionism Under Hitler," Congress Weekly (New York: American Jewish Congress), Sept. 11, 1942.; F. Nicosia, The Third Reich (1985), pp. 58-60, 217.; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), p. 175.

20. H. Höhne, The Order of the Death's Head (Ballantine, pb., 1984), pp. 380-382.; K. Schleunes, Twisted Road (1970, 1990), p. 226.; Secret internal SS intelligence report about F. Polkes, June 17, 1937, in: John Mendelsohn, ed., The Holocaust (New York: Garland, 1982), vol. 5, pp. 62-64.

21. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), pp. 63-64, 105, 219-220.

22. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), p. 160.

 

First, I want to keep our exchange at least civil because rancor detracts from substantive debate and an otherwise enjoyable afternoon.

You mentioned: "...hundreds of thousands of pages of proof." but so far no one has shown even 1 page of "proof"

However in the tens of thousands of pages specifically from the post war books written by De Gaulle, Eisenhower and Churchill there is not one mention of a homicidal gas chamber in any of them.

Why?

Next, you wrote: "...there are people who testified to the gassings." Moshe Peer claims to have survived 6 gassings (1) do you believe him?

Also:

EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED (2)

Additionally, no one has presented any evidence that there were millions killed in homicidal gas chambers; still no photos or blueprints of even one homicidal gas chamber when "millions" were killed in hundreds of homicidal gas chambers which are possibly the most costly, labor intensive and impractical way to kill lots of people imaginable.

Finally, you asked about my motive when the truth for the sake of the truth should be reason enough but, as a combat Veteran who has worked and lived with other combat Veterans who were Germans who served in WW 2, I feel that the Germans have been over demonized by Hollywood, MSM, the Holocaust Industry and America's own propaganda ministry the O.W.I (Office of War Information)

While living, studying and working in Germany over 50 years ago, I got to know WW 2 Veterans from other nationalities who were no more noble or virtuous than the Germans.
No single race, nationality or religion is exclusively either good or evil.
I feel like the homicidal gas chamber myth is simply residual Allied propaganda to make the German people seem more calculating, cruel and sadistic than any other nationality and it, like the fake "human skin" lampshades and "vaporizer" are lies that need to go.

Thanks,





(1). “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

EXCERPTS:
• Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

• William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

• Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

• Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

• Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

• Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED



(2). “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/

 

I don't know how many Jews died by gas chamber. But I have seen enough evidence to know that people were blamed for all of Germany's problems and systematically rounded up and murdered on an industrial scale. With no regard for human need or compassion for another human being. Their property was stolen by the State right down to the shoes on their feet. There is a lesson in this.

 

Why not?

 

I didn't count them.

 

many of the victims remains were past studying by the time the Allied armed forces liberated the camps. The soldiers had enough time trying to keep the still living victims alive. I doubt the forensic investigatory abilities back then could determine what killed the cremated victims early in the war, and I doubt anyone had the time or inclination to actually do that

 

It is kinda obvious what killed the victims. The Nazi State.

 

never understood the attempts to pretend that gas wasn't the reason-rather it was starvation, slave labor, or communicable diseases that were guaranteed in the conditions those people where forced into

 

Why not?

 

All the above.

 

"AND STILL NO HOMICIDAL GAS CHAMBERS...."

Since I've spent more time in Academia than you might imagine, that's why I don't trust it as a sole source of information.

When it comes to topics like this, "peer reviewed" means nothing because "Holocaust denial" laws in about 13 "democracy" prohibit anything but regurgitation of the standard Holocaust narrative.

No other historical narrative has or requires laws that prohibit open discussion and honest examination.

For example:

"The fastest way to get expelled from a British university is by

saying you are looking at chemical evidence for how Zyklon was

used in World War II, with a discussion of how debusing technology

functioned in the German World War II labour camps "

— Nicholas Kollerstrom
https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt




Finally, I think you've set the record for the most verbose off-topic evasions per thread.

Get back to me when you are capable of more than slandering sources you can't refute.

 

Re:

There sure is a lesson in this and that is the Gaza genocide.

How quickly the previously persecuted can turn into even more vicious monsters than their persecutors:

“Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948”
https://www.countercurrents.org/alhelsi100410.htm

EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted.

"A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives. Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.[2] Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive." CONTINUED

Who needs complicated, expensive and labor intensive homicidal gas chambers when bayonetting pregnant women is cheaper, simpler and easier.

It's long past time to crate up America's glut of Holocaust theme parks and dump them on the Knesset stairs where the "lessons" are most needed.

 

Where do you get your misinformation?

Thousands of autopsies were done after the war and guess what?

Not one autopsy showed death by gassing nor was anyone deliberately starved to death:


“Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas”
https://vk.com/@eric52-allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas

EXCERPT “Dr. Larson’s findings? In a 1980 newspaper interview he said: “What we’ve heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax.” And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he “was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theatre” of Allied military operations, confirmed that “never was a case of poison gas uncovered.”

Dr. Russell Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.” CONTINUED

 

Its an attempt to deny intent. They try to claim that Nazis didn't mean to kill Jews in large numbers. Some will even try to blame the Western Allies indirectly - their actions meant the Nazis were unable to provide adequate food & supplies.

More fundamentally it is the same tactics professional liars & conspiracy nuts like creationists, 9/11 'truthers', flat earthers etc. use repatedly - ignore the mountain of evidence & try to pick at a few molehills that can be twisted to say what you want, then extrapolate to claim that you have 'proved' that the truth is a lie.

 

Actually I can imagine that you spent more time in Academia than in the most secret airborne, rapid deployment unit whose sole function was to help defend Israel. It perfectly explains why you believe that Academia is nothing more than the worst of Groupthink, that "Academia" mentality tortured people who didn't believe that the earth was the center of our solar system and only IHR knows the truth.

It is also true that the fastest way to get expelled from good university is to claim without supplying convincing evidence that the earth is flat, to claim without supplying convincing evidence that Zyklon B was not used in extermination camps, to claim without supplying convincing evidence that Germans did not murder mentally sick people in T4 Euthanasia program using carbon monoxide gas or to claim without supplying convincing evidence that Elvis Presley is alive.

Nicholas Kollerstrom? It is the same guy who claimed that that Auschwitz had had art classes, a well-stocked library for inmates, and an elegant swimming pool where inmates would sunbathe on weekends while watching water polo and that Paul McCartney is dead? If Nicholas Kollerstrom said it - then it must be true!