How many Jews died in the gas chambers?

Damn, dude. Great story, and Olympic Trap qualifier? I'll admit to not knowing the difference between trap and skeet off of the top of my head (been a while), but the shooting events are my favorites to watch, and I have a soft spot for shotgun events when they come on. I used to shoot clays recreationally, but that was mostly just my cousins throwing a few with one of those plastic arm things.

The only athletics I've done competitively is orienteering/trail running, some fencing, and some archery . . . and some judo . . . poorly. My wife is a marathon runner who has done the Chicago marathon twice . . . and let's just say I'm there to watch her and eat hotdogs and Italian beef (no thank you on the Chicago-style pizza).

I'm 100% in favor of machine gun licensing. Hell . . . have any licensed machine guns in the US ever been used in a crime? And some of my first posts on this forum are against "assault weapon" bans.

 

No, not that I am aware of. Trap the targets go away from you, skeet is shot on a semi circle field with launchers on each side and the angles change as you move. I was a decent international trap shooter (collegiate medalist) but jr national international skeet champion. I retired from skeet after a boy I worked with made the 96 team. still shoot international trap here and there. Mainly do archery and speed shooting (steel) with pistols. This guy was originally from Poland IIRC.

 

Your vote disagrees with the official history according to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. Are you saying you made a mistake or do you believe they got their history wrong?

 

Do you have a source? And, yes, I could be mistaken. Are you capable of now acknowledging the existence of the Holocaust and the gassings?

 

Because there isn't. At least none that I've been able to find.

Most of them have not even bothered to read the official narrative of the Holocaust!

We're now looking at 95.7% of those who voted denying the official narrative. Personally, I thought people would at least look up the answer before voting. But they won't even do that.

Sometimes imagination can take over reality - especially when there is a great motivation to do so. If someone bashes anyone who questions the events of the Holocaust and blindly repeat what you are told, you are rewarded.

Before I started to question the Holocaust, I realized that the Bible describes Jesus as being human and not being God. I didn't start questioning this until on another forum, a Catholic asked why Protestants didn't call Mary the mother of God. She made a good point. After all, if Jesus is God, Mary would be the mother of God.

So, I decided to read the Bible to figure out the Trinity thing. Before then, I would just repeat what I was told to repeat about the Trinity. I remember discussing it with some Muslims who politely asked about it decades ago, and I did say it was contradictory but what Christians believed. After reading through the Bible with basic reading comprehension I found out the Bible doesn't ever describe Jesus as being God. In fact, the narrative of the New Testament makes no sense if Jesus is God. The New Testament only makes sense if Jesus is human and not God.

So why do so many Christians believe the lie that Jesus is God - because they were told to. Failure to repeat the mantra of the Trinity results in ostracization, banishment, and in earlier times torture and death. Most have no clue what the Trinity even is and cannot even answer the simplest questions. look at the following poll questions of willing respondents.

Lifeway Research

Notice that practically no one doubts the Trinity. 97% of those identifying as Evangelical Christians stated they believed in the Trinity. 73% of those Evangelical Christians believe Jesus was created by God. People don't know or understand what they believe - all they know is that their friends won't like them anymore if they don't believe what they are told to believe. So, they say what they are told to say.

Humans are very social and will say, do, and believe things simply to fit in - reality be damned.

Holocaust belief is the same. One simply needs to say, "I believe in the Holocaust." and everything is ok. Some aspects are also mandatory. Christians are forced to lie and say "Jesus is God". Similarly, you have to believe in the mass gassing of the Jews in the Holocaust - even if you get all the details in the official narrative wrong.

The similarities between the forced belief of the Trinity and the forced belief of the Holocaust are striking.

 

I agree 100% - Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance.

So which theory in Academia was condemned without investigation?

 

You gave the perfect answer. I would add that some people blindly believe Academia instead to believe you or to The Journal of Historical Review, who don't need to be peer reviewed, because it writes truth, truth and only truth.
It is hard to believe that some people will believe to:

Gas Chambers
https://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft Word - 6234.pdf

The Killing Evolution
https://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/killing/

Auschwitz: How death camp became centre of Nazi Holocaust
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50743973

Gassing Operations
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/gassing-operations

Gas chamber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chamber

At the Killing Centers
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/at-the-killing-centers

MEMORIAL AND MUSEUMAUSCHWITZ-BIRKENAUFORMER GERMAN NAZI
CONCENTRATION AND EXTERMINATION CAMP
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwitz-and-shoah/gas-chambers/

Evidence and documentation for the Holocaust
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_and_documentation_for_the_Holocaust

 

At least they aren't hiding the fact they outright deny the Holocaust anymore. It used to be "oh, I'm just not sure about the specific gas chamber numbers." But now the denialists confess openly. I'm sure the millions of Jews who "disappeared" went to Narnia or something.

 

they colonized the the far side of mars

 

That would make sense. I have it on good authority from a couple of sci-fi films that the Nazis retreated to the far side of the moon to prepare for their next attack, so it would jive that they still kept Jews at arm's length even then.

 

well Mel Brooks was supposed to do a sequel called Jews in Outer Space

 

I think you made an excellent point with the story of the Trinity thing and the same logic applies the story ‘genocide of Palestinian people’ and Israel as an apartheid state - majority of people don’t know Middle East history, they don’t know what Hamas Chapter is, they don’t know that until 1967 Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank were under Egyptians and Jordanian occupation and didn’t even dream about creating Palestinian state there, the only dream they had was destruction of the Jewish state. Majority of people who believe in ‘Palestinian genocide’ don’t know that Palestinians expelled 100% of Jews from territories they gain in 1948 war, making Gaza and the West Bank "Judenrein". Majority of people don’t know that from about 700 thousands people, despite of constant ‘genocide’ today there are more than 5 millions of Palestinians.
Majority of people who believe in ‘Palestinian genocide’ and that Israel in an apartheid state don’t know that in Israel an Arab judge sentenced Jewish president to jail, that there were Arab judges in Israeli Supreme Court, that Arab judges can sentence Jewish criminal, that Israelis elected an Arabs as Miss Israel or to represent them in international concerts, that Arabs have their own party in Israeli parliament and more.

So why do so many people believe in 'Palestinian genocide’ or that Israel is an apartheid state - because they were told to. Failure to repeat the mantra of the Israel results in ostracization, banishment, and in Gaza under Hamas it means torture and death.

 

"STILL NOT ONE BLUEPRINT OF A HOMICIDAL GAS CHAMBER"

I've never claimed that there were no "gas chambers" for delousing old clothes, blankets etc. I've only repeatedly shown that "millions of Jews" could not have been killed in fictitious homicidal gas chambers or else there would be hundreds of homicidal gas chambers scattered throughout Europe and piles of Homicidal gas chamber blueprint, work orders, maintenance requests etc but there's nothing to support the Homicidal gas chamber fable.

1. The International Holocaust Industry has routinely engaged in grotesque frauds back as far as the fake "human skin" lampshade, shrunken head and "human fat" soap. More recently, they've been caught in countless frauds and "long running scams" to deceive gullible rubes who rely low hanging, MSM, Junk News to do their thinking for them.

2. In all intercepted German radio transmissions, not one contained any reference to homicidal gas chambers.
Why?

3. Thousands of autopsies were done by Western doctors after the war and of those thousands, not one was killed by gas?
Why?

4. Why did the Soviets feel the need to have German POWs build a fake homicidal gas chamber if "millions of Jews" were killed in former German work camps?

"NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED

5. Why did,"certain groups" (i.e The Holocaust Industry) feel compelled to have the book banned?

6. Finally, "peer reviewed" means nothing other than "Groupthink" when it comes to a topic where open discussion, critical thinking, common sense and revealing irrefutable facts is illegal in 13 Western democracies.

For example:

"The fastest way to get expelled from a British university is by

saying you are looking at chemical evidence for how Zyklon was

used in World War II, with a discussion of how debusing technology

functioned in the German World War II labour camps "

— Nicholas Kollerstrom
https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

 

Bull ****. You've "proven" no such thing. You have CLAIMED to have proven it several times, but you have provided NO sources that support your claim, despite being asked many, many, many times. And you will fail again. I'll ask you for one. One claim. We aren't going to do this thing where you provide have a dozen "sources" that have jack **** all to do about what was asked.

 

Hey yardmeat...

If you watch that eight-part documentary to which I linked in post #19, you'll see why revisionists think the way they do.

 

If you can cite which of those videos is actually relevant to a claim that you would like to make and give me the timestamp, I will address it. I am not doing more of the denialist Gish gallup bull ****.

 

Also, seriously dude, you admitted that you haven't even watched it all yourself, so why the **** would I watch it? I got a couple minutes in and saw 1) Irving's "no holes no Holocaust" rant, which I've debunked and which was debunked in court (you should watch the film that clip comes from and learn about the court case it is based on . . . it doesn't go well for that lying, racist piece of **** Irving . . . he's not the hero that the "documentary" tries to portray him as) 2) the "Judea Declares War on Germany" claim, which I've debunked here on this forum many times and 3) the "wooden doors" claim, which I've debunked here on this forum as well. I don't think I'll be wasting much more time on this lying neo-Nazi vomit of a "documentary."

But, just to take one example for now, I'll address the newspaper article entitled "Judea Declares War on Germany." First, there was no actual "war" declared; that was just the article's writer taking artistic liberty. If you actually read the article (which, unlike any of you denialists, I ACTUALLY HAVE), it is just talking about Jews outside of Germany deciding to BOYCOTT German goods because they didn't like the Nazis. Denialists try to pass this off as Jews somehow starting something because they lack the braincells required to ask, hm, WHY were Jews boycotting Germany? I'll give you a hint . . . and by hint I mean I'm just going to explain it to you: it is because a party was taking over Germany whose platform SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT IT WOULD REMOVE ****ING CITIZENSHIP FROM ALL JEWS. And that's not even getting to the part where the party leader had publicly written fantasies about hanging Jews in the street. Gee, wonder why they were like, "Guys, I don't think we should do business with these gents."

Ooh, ooh! Ten bucks says they do the whole "But Auschwitz had a swimming pool" lie at some point, too. Tell me which video that one is in!

 

Very funny how you want to obfuscate this discussion - the discussion is if Germans used gas chambers to murder people, and not if there existed "gas chambers for delousing old clothes", "gas chambers for heating" or "gas chambers with laughing gas", not even how many people were murdered in gas chambers.
Thousands of pages were written about gas chambers, for and against. Historians in Academia support the theory that Germans murdered people (not only Jews, the first experiment with gas in Auschwitz was done on Russians prisoners of war) and some internet sites claims Germans did not murder people using gas chambers.
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/museum...as-for-murdering-people-in-auschwitz,422.html

There are two ways to find the truth:
1. to read for and against articles and decide - it will take at least few month - and write personal opinion.
2. to trust Academia (which uses peer review) or to trust sites usually recognized as pro-Nazi and antisemitic

As I said - sites which deny that gas chambers were created by Germans to murder people usually are written by people who hate Jews or wants to defend Germany, direct this sites to gullible, poorly educated who will happily spread this information without verifying it or using simple logic.
For example this link:
"NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

Simple logic is saying - if we don't believe to written testaments of thousands people who were concentration camp prisoners and saw gas chamber in action, why we should believe to anything Gerhart Schirmer said? What make Gerhart Schirmer so special? Of course - gullible, poorly educated person will never ask this question, he will believe with all his heart he found the truth and must spread this very important truth all over the word.

I have no time or desire to read thousand of pages for and against, so I trust Academia, you have the right to trust anyone you want.

 

(from post #215)

I'd never seen these two speeches of Hitler's until the arrival of the internet where the revisionists could finally make their case to the public.
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...he-jews-part-2.610995/page-17#post-1074283687

Academia in democratic countries seemed to be misrepresenting what Hitler was telling the German people and soldiers. That's why I don't trust academia in democratic countries.

 

What you call Academia is nothing more than the worst of Groupthink.

It's the same "Academia" mentality that tortured people who didn't believe that the earth was the center of our solar system.

All these evasions and still not one single blueprint or photo of a single homicidal gas chamber.

If millions were killed in homicidal gas chambers there should be at least hundreds of them for everyone to see.

Where are they all?

Common sense beats "Groupthink" any day.

 

Yes, from time to time I am reading revisionist info, but while Academia allow peer review, revisionist site does not allow it. For example - first time I found that there is no evidence that Hitler directly ordered to murder Jews I found from revisionist site, but I also found that Academia is aware about this fact and there are much discussions about it. When Academia claims something, they have have footnotes which support such their claims. Recently on this forum someone posted info from The Journal of Historical Review with quotes from some books - I found these books (there are many sites where you can download such books) and found these quotes are fake.

And to Hitler speech - I don't expect a leader will reveal in public speech any secret information. What Hitler was thinking about Jews and Lebensraum he published numerous times. I listen few minutes to the Hitler speech you recommended - nothing new. I am sure that Hitler could find very humanistic and convincing arguments why he attacked Poland, Denmark, Norway or Belgium, not only Russia. Did Russia planned to attack Germany? Quite possible yes as claims Suvorov in his book Icebreaker, but this stupid Hitlers decision I approve with all my heart. Just imagine how world will look if Soviet Union defeated Hitler without Western help - if it happen - today in Louisiana schools instead of the Ten Commandments they would be forced to display pictures of Marx, Lenin and Stalin.

 

Well - this post explain everything - in your eyes Academia is "Groupthink", for you Academia is mentality that tortured people who didn't believe that the earth was the center of our solar system and for you The Journal of Historical Review represent the truth.
Perfect!
The Journal of Historical Review and other revisionists sites are directed specifically for people like you!

 

Nothing new? Are you kidding? Everything I've ever heard from the mainstream said that Hitler invaded Poland and Russia because he wanted to expand German territory and that the German peole and soldiers agreed with him. Link to something from the mainstream that's consistent with those two speeches of Hitler's (post #244).

 

Well, it looks we are living in different universes. I read some pre WWII Hitler speeches about Jews, Lebensraum and 1000 years Reich and it not only perfectly fits Germany actions, it also contradicts Hitler speeches you recommended. It started with Sudetenland, occupation of Czechoslovakia, attack on Poland with lame excuse of 'polish attack German radio station' and more. I started to listen to his speech, I saw lies and it was enough to stop, I don't care how many lies are there .
Of course you have the right believe Hitler had all reasons to conquer Czechoslovakia (to protect German interests), to attack Poland (because of Polish attack on German radio station), to attack Belgium, Denmark, Norway and some other countries - I disagree.

 

CHRONIC EVASION SYNDROME

This thread is about the alleged number of Jews who were killed by mythical homicidal gas chambers

It's not about "...people like you." or lazy Zionist shills incapable of critical thinking or common sense.

I've repeated asked you to produce just one blueprint or photo of just one of the hundreds of homicidal gas chambers required to kill "millions of Jews" but your only responses are evasions or regurgitation of ANY fable poured into your head by pro Israel MSM. aka "Academia", whatever you think that is.

So, let's try again:

"All these evasions and still not one single blueprint or photo of a single homicidal gas chamber.

If millions were killed in homicidal gas chambers there should be at least hundreds of them for everyone to see.

Where are they all?"