How many Jews died in the gas chambers?

A great injustice was committed against the Palestinians. Their reactions to it are debatable but their anger is justified.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/thoughts-on-zionism.513071/#post-1074921542
https://archive.org/search?query="The+Zionist+Story"

 

Not so. While there is a degree of guesswork in all of this (neither German nor Russian sources are entirely reliable) the likely death rate of German POWs in Russian hands was under 20% - probably around 15%. Even the absolute highest figure is 40%, and there doesn't appear to be much evidence for that.

Even those figures are skewed by Stalingrad....which is the figure most people are aware of & extrapolate to ALL German POWs in Russian hands. About 95% of Stalingrad POWs died - around 100,000 men. Thing is, most of them were already severely malnourised & many on the verge of starvation. Under all but the best conditions a large number of those men would probably have died, and Russia in early 1943 was far from the best conditions for anyone.

The death rate of other German POWs was under 10%, which shows what an outlier the Stalingrad POWs were. There is no doubt Germans were maltreated by the Russians & worked very hard, but most who were not already close to death when captured lived. By contrast, something like 58% of Russian POWs in German hands died. That is likely even higher than detah rates at Japanese hands, though I have never seen good figures for Chinese POWs in Japanese hands, so it is not impossible the rates are comparable.

I don't generally cite youtube videos, but this guy cites his sources & compares them for us to see. He is also no fan of Communism - so not some tankie looking to excuse Uncle Joe.



I get this is a diversion from the topic of the thread, but holocaust deniers and their fellow travellers turn my stomach, so I'd rather offer facts to someone who might listen than engage with people who I can't describe here without upsetting the Mods.

 

I have no idea who you are referring to. I have seen no one deny the Holocaust here.

If you mean the numbers are indisputable, could you link us to the indisputable numbers maybe? That way I can know that anyone with different numbers is a Holocaust denier.

I urge you to be careful if they offer a number range though, cause that would be disputing their own numbers, and make them a Holocaust denier if this what you mean.

 

A lot of people like to gloss over how the Russians suffered during the Second World War. For every soldier America lost, the Russian's lost 20 soldiers, and 20 old men, women, and children too. The U.S. lost 400,000 soldiers. Imagine if they were each put in a room with the 40 dead Russians. You would have a hard time finding that lone American soldier. If the Russians were not merciful captors, its really no wonder. I have never heard anyone say directly that what Germany did to Russia was also an act of genocide, but I think it fits.

 

If you think that butchering babies is excusable, I have nothing more to say to you.

 

Whatever you want to believe, if any Palestinians ever did, they butchered far fewer in insane rage than Israelis did calmly pushing a button.

Norman Finkelstein often brings up the Haitian slave revolts, where the slaves rose up and massacred entire French families. I think you might reside in a duplicitous place where you might speak of driving people over the edge, yet not fully understand what it means to be over the edge. Gazans have good excuses to be over the edge. Israelis do not.

 

What would convince you as proof of evidence? Couldn't be more.

 

"P.T. BARNUM AND HOLOCAUST HUCKSTERS: 'THERE'S A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE'"

The durability of the "homicidal gas chamber" myth is testimony to both the success of WW 2 Allied propaganda and the veracity of P.T. Barnum's observation that: "There's a sucker born every minute."

I've lost track of the number of people who knew an uncle, neighbor or grandfather who came back to report on the dismal condition of the German run work camps at the end of WW 2 when German infrastructure was ruins and resupplying the camps was impossible.

Little did they know that Allied propagandists, Hollywood movie Moguls and members of the Holocaust Industry with their phony "human skin lampshades", shrunken heads and fake "human fat soap" etc had already been at work for days attempting to make an already grim scene even worse.(1)

It seems like most of the world's glut of renovated, altered and fabricated Holocaust theme parks features at least one "homicidal gas chamber" that are just as phony as the long debunked homicidal steam, gas, electrocution chambers (2) and even a "vaporizer" that could make 20,000 Jews disappear instantaneously (3)

It comes as no surprise that one that one of the many of the banned books that debunks the fictitious "homicidal gas chamber" myth was written by a German POW at Sachsenhausen who along with other German POWs held by the Communist NKVD were forced to build a new homicidal gas chamber that the Allies intended to show the world's reporters, historians, and other officials as "proof" that "homicidal gas chambers" existed. (4)

Unfortunately for the Allied propagandists, the new construction exposed the hoax for war it was; another deliberate Holocaust deception.

After the war, Gerhart Schirmer wrote a book describing this and other experiences at the hands of the Soviets.

Because the exposing of this gas chamber hoax caught the eye of "certain groups" (i.e. the Holocaust Industry), the book was banned for exposing what is perhaps the most fraudulent conspiracy theory ever.

Now, let's have a poll showing how many gullible rubes believe "millions of Jews" were vaporized by that evil German vaporizer.

Thanks,



(1). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED


(2). "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED



(3). "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
http://ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales." CONTINUED


(4). "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED

 

We've had the same familiar handful either deny the Holocaust or "question" it. Roughly 6 million or so Jews were killed. But, no, those weren't all in the gas chambers and no one ever claimed they were. That's just a denialish (which is just what I'm going to call the denalists who don't like to own up to their schtick) talking point.

 

The gas chambers were not the only way Jewish people were murdered in WW2.

There were also concentration camps (not extermination camps) where Jews faces brutal conditions, forced labour, starvation and disease. Many died due to the inhumane conditions.

The Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing units) conducted mass shootings of Jews in occupied territories, particularly in Eastern Europe.

Jews were confined to overcrowded ghettos with inadequate food, sanitation, and medical care, leading to high mortality rates from starvation and disease.

As the Allies advanced, Nazis forced prisoners on death marches, where many died from exhaustion, exposure, and execution.

All of these atrocities were part of the Nazis' "Final Solution," a plan to annihilate the Jewish population in Europe. It is reprehensible to deny that any of this happened.

 

Missing requested link noted.

And the fact you can't or won't distinguish between people who deny the Holocaust and those who question it is rather pathetic, and insulting, and insulting our intelligence. What next? Admonish police and courts for collecting and analyzing evidence of a woman's rape rather than just "believe women"?

As someone that questions aspects of the Holocaust I declare your lumping of me in with people who actually deny it to be complete $#!T that will work against you and the ideas you want to promote.

And you are right, no one claimed all Jews died in gas chambers, so don't feel the need to expound on that silly idea anymore.

 

While the places could be described as "death camps", I'm skeptical any were killed in actual gas chambers.

The Germans did occasionally execute certain classes of political prisoners by transporting them off in the back of specially designed trucks, stopping the vehicle somewhere along the road, and then flooding the back of the truck with the vehicle exhaust.
But I don't think they did that to any of the regular civilian Jews.

It should be noted that the Zyklon B was manufactured as a fumigant pesticide, and was probably mainly used that way. The Germans probably were rather indifferent to health and safety of their prisoners and fumigated the prisoners with it in an enclosed space, but not with the specific intent to kill.

I think most of the prisoners died from malnutrition or diseases brought on by malnutrition and starvation.
But the guards were known to shoot prisoners for slight provocations, or sometimes even suspicion of offenses. There was a policy of executing ten random prisoners for every prisoner that escaped.

 

Who cares the exact number. The point is that no Jew should have been killed in Nazi Germany by the nazis.

 

Ah, now the Ruskies made them build fake gas chambers ... the abject silliness never ends.

 

Approximately 1.1-1.2 million were killed in the gas chambers. The vast majority of them (~850,000) were killed in the Birkenau extermination camp. Smaller numbers were killed in the gas chambers at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor.

 

Link to some and we can talk about whether it's really evidence.

Have you watched these videos?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...d-in-the-gas-chambers.623029/#post-1075095272

Yes. I agree.

 

Its almost comical how often this is having to be repeated, but the OP literally asked for a ballpark figure in those exact terms.

Nobody asked for an exact number.

Also the evidence of "trust me bro" can be bullied into people's heads for a time, but not forever. That mode literally creates actual Holocaust denial.

 

I would guess of the 6 million killed maybe 4 million were killed in the gas chambers? 1-5 for sure since they all weren't killed in them but they were designed for mass death.

 

We know they used it to kill Jews. We have witnesses. Yes, the ones who died in gas chambers were a minority, but it is insane to claim they didn't exist.

 

I have explicitly made the distinction. Repeatedly. Please try reading. Why does the concept that people acknowledge the existence of the gas chambers upset you this much?

 

The science shows there were no gassings. Science trumps testimony as witnesses can lie.
https://codoh.com/?s=witness

Have you watched the videos in post #19?

 

If you can finally point to the video that shows the "science," I'll review it. So far, you have failed.

 

How much of it have you watched?

 

I watched the first video. It was garbage and provided no such "science." I will not watch any more until you can tell me which video has the "science." There's a reason why you guys copy/paste the same lame garbage links over and over again and can never actually speak to any of them.

 

Or, if you say it clearly, there will be none. Don't feel too bad; even here in Germany there are those idiots running around. (Those Holocaust-Deniers don't deny anymore as soon as they believe they're alone, they sing chants praising the "BBQ at Auschwitz".)

Well, you could do some research on your own: Find Jews that lost their relatives in the holocaust in your neighbourhood, and talk with them, be interested in the fate of their grandfathers and -mothers. Then jugde.

No.