How many Lies do ProVaxers need to hear before they admit the Vax is a hoax?

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  1. Nathan-D

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    One study published in the Food and Chemical Toxicology journal (Stephanie Seneff et al 2022) found that the COVID vaccine has the potential to instigate autoimmune problems. The study underscores the mRNA vaccines’ capacity to induce sustained synthesis of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, a neurotoxic agent that hampers DNA repair mechanisms. It further suggests that the vaccine may heighten the risk of infectious diseases and cancer, while potentially establishing causal links to neurodegenerative ailments, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell’s palsy, liver disease, compromised adaptive immunity, and tumorigenesis.

    Another interesting fact about the COVID vaccine that I stumbled upon: According to a paper published in the journal Andrology (authored by Gat et al in 2022) men who received the COVID vaccine had a decrease in sperm concentration of 15% (as corroborated here). Scientist Wolfgang Wodarg has also asserted that the COVID vaccine impedes a protein essential for placenta formation; a study conducted on rats showcased a 9% decline in the pregnancy index subsequent to COVID vaccination. The COVID vaccine seems to have been something that has caused a lot of harm and I am always amazed when people defend it.

    Journalist Ed Dowd also recently released a comprehensive Vaccine Damage Report. According to Dowd’s findings, an estimated 300,000 individuals in America have lost their lives due to COVID vaccines, and an additional 1.4 million people now face disabilities. Extrapolating these figures globally, it would equate to approximately 5 million deaths, 46 million individuals with disabilities, and an astonishing 900 million people sustaining some form of injury. Close to 1% of individuals experienced some form of disability, and between 0.05% to 0.1% died — equivalent to 1 in 1,000 people losing their lives.
     
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    Seems that “paper” is faux research that has slipped through the peer review process

    https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com...71b5c550e550c0a5554&rr=87a3be563eb8572f&cc=au
     
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    I know there are many differing views on the COVID vaccines, where do you stand?

    I personally have a hard time accepting that the vaccines were anything but bad and harmful.

    This is after watching a lot of John Campbell's interviews on YouTube.
     
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    Mate in my career I have seen many patients suffering from diseases preventable by vaccines

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    I am pro vaccine for a good reason
     
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    I am personally of the opinion that no vaccine is required because viruses as we have been led to believe not not exist. I wrote an article about this here: https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/2021/03/30/the-covid-scamdemic/

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    Molecular biologist, Andrew Kaufman, has arrived at similar conclusions about the non-existence of COVID and has said that the existence of viruses have never been proven. You can see an interview with Kaufman in the video here in which he explains his reasoning. Instead, he says that viral diseases are the result of improper nutrition, toxins, and electromagnetic radiation. Kaufman says that the COVID pandemic is a "completely manufactured crisis" and says that "no confirmation of the virus’ existence can be found". Similar to Kaufman, according to German virologist, Stefan Lanka, not only does the COVID virus not exist, but viruses in general do not exist. In his article ‘The Misconception Called Virus’, Lanka says that there is “no such thing as pathogenic viruses”. He says, “claims about the existence of viruses are based on historic misinterpretations" and "the real causes of disease which are ascribed to viruses have already been discovered and researched”. Lanka says that “a virus has never been isolated according to the meaning of the word isolation and it has never been photographed and biochemically characterized as a whole unique structure”.

    According to Kaufman, various diseases that are blamed on viruses are actually caused by improper nutrition and toxins. One example of a disease being erroneously blamed on a virus was the Zika outbreak in Brazil which was traced back to the use of a novel pesticide used for the control of mosquito populations in Brazilian drinking water (Parens et al 2017). Another example is the Polio outbreak. The Polio outbreak occurred immediately following unprecedented DDT usage. The graph here shows the correlation between Polio cases and DDT usage. As DDT was introduced Polio cases soared and as it was eventually phased out, cases of Polio began to rapidly decline. The Polio outbreak is another example of a disease being erroneously blamed on a virus. As Morton Biskind says: “Central nervous system diseases such as Polio are actually the physiological and symptomatic manifestations of the ongoing government and industry sponsored inundation of the world’s populace with central nervous system poisons”. While DDT was banned, we’re still bombarded with pesticides in our food today and the scientific literature documents elevated risk of disease among those exposed to pesticides (Owens et al 2010).

    In his book ‘The Contagion Myth’, Thomas Cowan supports the views of Lanka and Kaufman and explains why viruses are not the cause of any disease, denies the germ theory of disease (which says that infectious diseases are caused by pathogenic microorganisms in the body) and gives alternative explanations to what causes disease, such as improper nutrition, toxins, and electromagnetic radiation. Cowan says that we will soon see a paradigm shift when it comes to viruses; that viruses are not harmful, but helpful exosomes that our cells produce to rid the body of poisons and help make adjustments to environmental threats. Writing along similar lines, in his book ‘What Really Makes You Ill’, David Parker rejects the medical establishment’s explanation for disease and refutes the germ theory of disease, denying that “germs”, bacteria and viruses cause disease. Parker says: “[The mainstream explanation] claims that viruses are the cause of many diseases, as if this has been definitively proven. But this is not the case; there is no original scientific evidence that definitively demonstrates that any virus is the cause of any disease”.

    There are a number of other researchers that provide a corroboration of the assertion that the virus theory lacks evidence. For example, the Australian Perth Group proved scientifically that the existence of the HIV virus has not been demonstrated, saying: “One has no choice but to conclude that whatever HIV is, it is not the virus that causes AIDS, or even is it a real virus”. This is supported by German molecular biologist Peter Duesberg, who claims that AIDS is actually caused by illicit drug abuse and antiretroviral medications (Duesberg et al 2009). In his book ‘Imparied Health’, John Tilden explains the real cause of measles, which is not caused by a virus, saying: “Measles is the manner in which a child’s body throws off toxemia. When children are cared for improperly, they become toxemic and their skin eliminates toxin to a greater degree than does the skin of grown people”. Meanwhile, in the book ‘Virus Mania’, by Torsten Engelbrecht, he explains how various diseases blamed on viruses (from HIV, to Hepatitis C, to the Spanish flu virus) can be explained by other causes and there is no real proof of the existence of these viruses; see excerpts from the book here, here and here.
     
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    Then what was killing my patients btw read my sig and know that I believe that those who decry modern medicine are enacting evolution in action
     
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    But in pandemics of the past presidents led. Obama handled not only the Ebola scare but the “swine Flu” epidemic.
     
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    Fauci and Birx lead.
     
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    Trump released the Shutdown guidelines Americans should follow, are you saying Trump gave bad advice and people were stupid to follow his guidelines
     
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    You seem to not have a problem with Birx and Fauci's dishonesty. Trump acted in good faith based on recommendations from the epidemiology experts on the Covid task force. Unfortunately those recommendations were based on dishonesty. What did Trump do exactly that deserved blame for the 30 day temporary lockdown recommendation??
     
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    yes, Trump was wrong to release those guidelines, governors were wrong to trust the Trump guidelines
     
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    Were Birx and Fauci wrong to issue dishonest recommendations. Birx admits that is what they did in her book Silent Invasion". As you know I posted the admission from her book upthread.
     
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    Well yeah.That's what happens when COVID is killing people.

    COVID causes blood clots, strokes, pulmonary problems, all those things that antivaxxers blame on vaccines.
     
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    If you could show any dishonesty, that would be a valid point. But you haven't. You keep saying you have, but you've never actually done so.
     
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    The hospitals that weren't overwhelmed. The people that didn't die.

    The curve was flattened.That's not debatable. And you've admitted it now.
     
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    Those were nothing.
     
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    With due respect Health policy overlaps. Its primarily state government jurisdiction but the US federal government has input over any US citizen that travels overseas or between states when it comes to health matters or funding of federal hospitals for example.

    Trump and any President did have and does the legal power to initiate emergency pandemic and other health regulation measures.

    https://www.cfr.org/article/us-trump-coronavirus-response-covid19-agencies-in-charge

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7604229/

    In Canada we have the same constitutional split-general health matters (provincial like your states), but health issues that deal with movement of people between borders (federal).

    The bottom line is this: the federal Public Health Service Act authorizes the secretary of Health and Human Services to lead federal public health and medical responses related to public health emergencies and the U.S. Constitution’s 10th Amendment and U.S. Supreme Court decisions over nearly 200 years, state governments have the primary authority to control the spread of dangerous diseases within their jurisdictions.

    The 10th Amendment does gives states all powers not specifically given to the federal government under the above federal act I mentioned. So its called dual jurisdiction.

    Please learn about your legal system.
     
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    They were not nothing. They were examples of federal powers to administer and contain pandemics and this directly contradicts your statements.
     
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    I don't do Gish Gallops, the tactic of the desperate.

    You posted a page of crazy links, and then demanded everyone address every one of them, without even having the decency to talk about your own links. Thus, you got rightfully ignored.
     
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    Birx admitted the dishonesty in her book.
     
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    “If” admits nothing.
     
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    There was no threat in American from Ebola. The swine flu was no big deal.
     
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    sadly they worked for the Trump admin, Trump had them walk a very fine line... but yes, they and Trump were wrong about many things
     

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