How many Lies do ProVaxers need to hear before they admit the Vax is a hoax?

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  1. Nathan-D

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    Might you elaborate on how critical thinking led you to taking the shot?
     
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    That's not quite what I said. I received the shot about as early it was available as part of a requirement for my job. At that point it had more to do with expectations placed upon me as well as my version of "trust" in the system. I don't fully believe in trust, ever, but there was no cause to distrust.

    Later, I reviewed mortality data for multiple countries that have reliable data (not India, e.g.), largely Canda, US, and the UK. What I found there was that mortality associated with the covid vaccine was extremely rare, on the order of 1 in 1,000,000 (and that's including the more dangerous brands like J&J) and that the mechanisms of this rare mortality were an immune reaction to viral parts - things you would also see with the viral infection, but with fewer and less likely complications than the actual viral infection. This is exactly what one would expect from an mRNA vaccine mechanistically. The mortality data for symptomatic covid ranged from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 6, depending upon age, comorbidities, and strain. The vaccine did not fully stop transmission (above 90% in the original pandemic strain, though), but it overall reduced transmission, and more importantly severity of disease. Thinking of these numbers, it becomes clear that for anybody, the vaccine was a net reduction in risk of mortality. But this was information for the pandemic. Since then the virus continued to change without a commensurate change in the vaccine, increased natural and vaccine/booster immunity became widespread, and mortality continued to decrease. This decreases the benefit of continued vaccination, though neither risks nor benefits are particularly large for most people.

    I reviewed concerns that vaccine skeptics brought up, but I found their sources of data and reasoning to be unreliable/incorrect.
     
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    Yes.

    "All this info" comes from one website, Global Research (Centre for Research on Globalization)

    This website is run by Michel Chossudovsky

    The wikipedia entry on Chossudovsky and his website has this to say

    In 2017, the Centre for Research on Globalization was accused by information warfare specialists at NATO’s Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence (STRATCOM) of playing a key role in the spread of pro-Russian propaganda. A report by the U.S. State Department in August 2020 accused the website of being a proxy for a Russian disinformation campaign.

    https://web.archive.org/web/2017111...for-spreading-disinformation/article37015521/
     
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    I'm sorry you were extorted by your employer to take a bioweapon into your body. I have several airline friends in the same boat. Truly, I sympathize with you and others. My nephew was also extorted by the US Army. He was at that stage nearing the 30 year mark and would have lost all that time regarding retirement funds.

    Have you kept up with the accumulating data regarding adverse events including death? Or are you still of the belief that the shots are what Pharma and Government said they were in the early time?

    I stopped counting 2 years ago the number of friends and acquaintances who've died from it. 15+ The number of those who haven't died but are wounded from the shots is about the same. Most folks would rather not talk about it.
     
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    A man who had a severe adverse health effect in Australia sued his employer who mandated vaccination and won.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    If the US judiciary and law were not so corrupted by giving immunity to Pharma for promoting bioweapons, we might see the same thing happen here.
     
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    One of the first things in the US pandemic response was a “no liability” edict.
     
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    It sounds like you only look at mainstream* stuff. Do Google searches on "Douglas Macgregor, Ukraine" and "Scott Ritter, Ukraine" to see the other side. Maybe Michel Chossudovsky is right.


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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798
     
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    Anti-vax conspiracy theorists are still struggling to think critically, I see.
     
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    Yes we know you are provax, everything is fine go back to sleep, feel good, be happy!

    Just do everything the government says!



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    Lets see the red line is the vaxed deaths and the blue line is the unvaxed deaths and the red line is much higher then the blue line.

    Totally "safe and effective"! Wow!
     
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    Yes. I will continue going with science. Sorry that offends your conspiracy garbage.
     
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    Bad science can kill you. The historical record is full of bad science killing people.
     
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    Sure. It is also full of anti-science folk getting people killed, particularly anti-vaxxers.
     
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    Who has died as the result of not being vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines? Most of the people dying now of covid complications have been vaccinated and boosted multiple times.
     
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    The idea that more people have died from being vaccinated than from not being vaccinated is objectively insane.
     
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    It all depends on what age group a person is in and if they have one or more of the CDC listed preconditions which makes one at high risk to the complications of covid.
     
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    Chossudovsky is usually right on the money. NATO and the west are very much against truth speakers and independent thinkers.
     
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    And it continues. It doesn't matter whether it contradicts previous posted garbage so long as it's anti-US or non-mainstream, see batshit post batshit. This financial-advisor clown(in the post above) ludicrously makes suggestions about all the "facts" he has and for those easily-led they're immediately hooked on his lies.
    Video Distorts Early Coronavirus Research To Promote Baseless Bioweapon Conspiracy Theory - FactCheck.org
    "Yet, in a widely shared video misleadingly presented as testimony to the European Parliament, David Martin, a financial analyst, cited unrelated patents and distorted early research on coronaviruses to falsely suggest that scientists in the U.S. created the viruses that cause SARS and COVID-19 as part of a plot to drive vaccine profits.

    “Ladies and gentlemen, this was premeditated domestic terrorism,” he said of the COVID-19 pandemic (mark 19:22). “This is an act of biological and chemical warfare perpetrated on the human race. … [T]his was a financial heist and a financial fraud,” he added — a quote that was later shared in a Twitter post that has been retweeted more than 75,000 times.

    Except Martin’s entire argument is bunk. Dr. Susan R. Weiss, a coronavirus researcher at the University of Pennsylvania, told us in a phone interview that his statements are full of inaccuracies and completely distort past coronavirus research. “There is no basis for any of this,” she said. “It makes no scientific sense.”

    Martin has pushed several conspiracy theories about the pandemic. In 2020, he was a central figure in the second “Plandemic” video, which also falsely claimed that the pandemic was planned, as we’ve written.

    Not European Parliament Testimony
    Part of the appeal of Martin’s video — and lending false legitimacy to his claims — is that at first glance, it appears he is speaking in front of the European Parliament and giving official testimony.

    “[C]ant believe my ears, what is being said at the europian union,” a Facebook user said, sharing the video, which shows Martin next to a European Parliament flag in what might look to someone like the European Parliament Hemicycle.

    “Must watch: This is the opening presentation by Dr David Martin on the origins of Covid in 1965 & Covid Vaccines in 1990!” a Twitter user wrote. “He speaks in front of the European Parliament International Covid Summit III in Brussels on May 3, 2023. Hear and be shocked..!”

    In reality, only five of the 705 members of the European Parliament participated in the event, which took place in a room of the parliament’s building in Brussels, as part of a three-day meeting organized by COVID-19 skeptics and anti-vaccination activists. The five Parliament members have participated in actions opposing COVID-19 vaccines.""
     
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    David Martin is one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable men today. Because he speaks a most uncomfortable truth, those in power try to suppress his speech. MSM never give him any coverage.
     
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    No he isn't. He's a snake-oil salesman trying to make money from the gullible. How the hell does the antivax community get suckered by this "financial advisor"!?
    Nothing he says is uncomfortable truth. Uncomfortable batshit however!
    It's the done thing to try and stop disinformation / liars from influencing the vulnerable.
    He's a jackass.
    Fact check: The mRNA coronavirus vaccine is a vaccine, and it is designed to prevent illness | Reuters
    "A video shared on social media has claimed that the mRNA coronavirus vaccine is not actually a vaccine, but a “device” designed to make people sick. This is false.
    The video, which has been viewed more than 11,000 times on YouTube, can be seen (here).
    In it a man referred to as “Dr David Martin”, who has been linked to previous misinformation about the pandemic (here , here) is seen speaking on a video call.
    In the clip, Martin claims that the vaccine is not actually a vaccine, but a “medical device” that makes people sick.
    “This is not a vaccine. This is a mRNA packaged in a fat envelope that is delivered to a cell. It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator” (timecode – 00:19), Martin says.
    “You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness, not to induce an immuno-transmissive response, in other words nothing about this is going to stop you from transmitting anything. This is about getting you sick and having your own cells be the thing that gets you sick” "
     
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