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How many people have to die before America legalizes drugs?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by iAWESOME, Jun 24, 2011.

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  1. GJJG2012

    GJJG2012 New Member

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    Who was it that gave you the lie that cannabis overdose can be fatal? Some govt source? If it is possible to die from cannabis overdose, every one of the billion plus that has used it over the last 10,000 years has failed to die from it.

    Considering there are 50 million cannabis users in the USA, why don't we hear of any deaths if it is possible? If you want a truthful site for info on cannabis, try Wikipedia where they require citing sources.
     
    GJJG2012, Jul 16, 2012
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  2. GJJG2012

    GJJG2012 New Member

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    Cannabis is not a cause of death. This was the conclusion of a large MJ study (1997?) by Kaiser Permanente, a big health insurer/provider (HMO) in California. They really needed to know this info & they found out.
     
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  3. GJJG2012

    GJJG2012 New Member

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    Prisons are for dangerous people & yes, expensive. Please see Wikipedia for drug facts. They require citing sources. You might also want to look at Law Enforcement Against Prohibition leap.cc

    Legal or illegal doesn't determine use. For some reason, no other illegal drug is nearly as popular as cannabis, with 50 million admitted users. Probably because it is safer and sometimes works better than pills for 126 conditions, according to the top expert Dr. Lester Grinspoon, retired f/Harvard Med. Sch.

    Libertarian Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson wants to end the drug war. He would legalize cannabis & it would be 90% cheaper, even with a 100% tax. With more people switching from alcohol &/or tobacco, medical costs will go down and our average length of life will increase. Gary Johnson used cannabis 3 years after falling 50 feet with broken bones in back, rib & knee, rather than be an opiate addict.


    One if the results of our phony drug war is heroin is cheaper than cannabis. Most of the new heroin users are switching from Oxycontin as Oxy is $80 per pill in street. Heroin might be $50. An ounce of cannabis averages $380 due too prohibition
     
    GJJG2012, Jul 16, 2012
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  4. DominorVobis

    DominorVobis Banned at Members Request

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    The domestic consequences of having alcohol legal are more outrageous, maybe we should make it illegal, oh we tried that, and every one went to illegal bars. Hmmm, seems we are all the same really.

    IMHO, marijuana is a lot less a risk to society and health then alcohol is....
     
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  5. GJJG2012

    GJJG2012 New Member

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    It did not say makes people high.
     
    GJJG2012, Jul 16, 2012
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  6. Roy L

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    Just what do you falsely claim "druggies" are "demanding," other than their rights to liberty and pursuit of happiness?

    And FTR, I do not use any recreational drugs, not even the legal ones like alcohol, nicotine and caffeine.
     
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  7. Roy L

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    My guess: 6 million.
     
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  8. Roy L

    Roy L Banned

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    Yes, there is: the reduction in alcohol-related crime after Prohibition ended in the 30s.
    Like the "outrageous" consequences of ending Prohibition in the 30s? Bring it on.
     
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  9. Roy L

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    Because a few people -- especially those who support drug prohibition -- want to violate others' rights.
    Because we have brains, and are willing to use them. Some of us, anyway...
    People like you are the reason this country is becoming a fascist prison camp.
     
    Roy L, Jul 16, 2012
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    Japan is a freaking Island=) And besides, they have worse crap than drugs to worry about, like tentacle porn and generations of youth who have no sexual identification, hehe.
     
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  11. Roy L

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    It's already available.
    The way one use of alcohol or tobacco does...?

    Stupid.
     
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  12. Roy L

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    It was USED more when it became legal because it COST less. But there is no, repeat, NO evidence to suggest that more people TRIED it when it became legal again.
     
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    It is your garbage that is laughable. There is exactly one commonly used recreational drug whose USE, not prohibition, is associated with violent crime, and it is ALCOHOL.

    Every large-scale, scientifically credible study of marijuana prohibition, dating all the way back to the British Hemp Drugs Commission of 1894, has found that prohibition does more harm than use of the drug. Every single one.
    Sure there is: profit. That is why drug prohibition makes more people use drugs: it is more profitable to get them to use drugs.
    To reduce the harm it does to society, duh.
    Portugal.

    DUH.
     
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    When alcohol was illegal it created a black market for criminals. Drugs (I know alcohol is a drug, other ones) by being illegal also create criminal opportunities.
    I would like to see drugs legalised and available on a kind of prescription, then at least they (users) would be seen by a health professional. To me, drugs users have a problem that needs help, maybe they have fallen through the cracks etc. Arresting and gaoling them is not helping them or society.
     
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    They will continue their war to control the drug trade, just as they are continuing the war in Afghanistan to continue their control of opium production.

    Now they are going to force everyone to pay into the AMA monopoly system of drugs.

    At some point, perhaps well reach that society described by Aldous Huxley Brave New World
    [​IMG] Few of us will escape it, yes?
     
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    or alcoholics demands...

    fact is there is always going to be addicts, war or no war

    but without prohibition we no longer make criminals of non-criminals

    you take a nice family drinking wine with dinner, arrest them for nothing more then drinking wine with dinner, give them a criminal record, it's the gateway to crime for many

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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    How many people have to die before some people figure out that certain drugs are just too (*)(*)(*)(*) dangerous.
     
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    yep, I agree
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I say natural growing herbs legal, synthetic drugs illegal

    well that would outlaw alcohol, so lets give that one an exception


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    There are a lot of naturally growing crap that will kill you stone cold dead if you aren't careful. Hell tobacco is a aturally growing herb.
     
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  21. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and tobacco should be legal... look what people turn to if natural herbs are illegal... things like bath salts, spray paint, ect...

    the government can't protect you from yourself
     
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    It's not so much that people don't understand, by and large they do. Most cops, prosecuters and judges will privately admit that the drug war has failed and we'd be better off if drugs were legal, but there's too much money involved; too many people make a profit off the drug war for it to ever end
     
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  23. Roy L

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    It's prohibition that is too dangerous, and it kills more people than USE of all illegal drugs combined. Some people just aren't intelligent enough to understand why that must be the case.
     
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  24. Roy L

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    Most plants are toxic when ingested. Eating the leaves of a tomato plant can kill you. One cup of tea made from peach leaves can kill you. So why not make them all illegal? I guess it's because they aren't enough fun to prohibit...
     
    Roy L, Jul 17, 2012
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    I think a better question would be "How many people have to die before America realizes drugs aren't worth dying over?"
     
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