How to ban guns without firing a single shot...

I don't have a definition. The dictionary does! Read my sig and do YOUR OWN research.

 

So the choice is between facts presented by the ATF vs what people who believe that electing Trump is a good idea think.

Doesn't look like a tough choice.

 

Can you quote a source claiming 70% of guns come from the US? I think you need to brush up on reading comprehension. Even Factcheck.org writers seem to have better reading comprehension than you. They realize LATIN AMERICAN countries don’t submit all guns recovered to the ATF.

 

The little icon that looks like an arrow next to where you read "xxxx said" takes you up throughout the conversation and up to the first post in which I mentioned it where you will find the link. This is your opportunity to practice this new learned research skill...

 

The link does not say what you say. Follow the arrows. Check it out.

 

We know you don't. Back up your fat mouth or make a retraction.

I swear, I think you would rather be dead than admit that you were wrong. What are you afraid of? I been wrong before, maybe not as consistently as you, but I guess I'm just not emotionally invested in my beliefs the way you might be.


I read your sig. It says "If you have a point to make, that's your burden. Don't ask me to do your research for you"

Must not apply to the author, only the people he is talking at.

 

I made my point. If you have something to counter it with, you do your own research.

 

You sure did.

You think that asking others to read your old posts is research. My question to you is, who's posts are you reading to get your "research" accomplished?

 

I agree with that. What I cannot attest to is you being right. I just haven't seen it...

"Point" refers to a well reasoned fact-based ARGUMENT that refers to the topic being discussed in the thread. A dictionary definition is not that. It's just a definition.... The meaning of the word "trace" is not the topic. But if you need to know the meaning in order to make an argument about the topic, YOU look it up. Don't ask me to do that for you.

 

I see. Like your erroneous point that the Feds can "trace" firearms in foreign countries.

We don't know what golem means by "trace" because he refuses to define the terms he is using. We are not mind readers, and golem's point does not pass the smell test as written.

 

Your point is that you misrepresent your links? Cool.

Your statement.

Your link.

You are unaware there is a big difference between all guns and guns submitted to the ATF by foreign countries?

From factcheck.org on Mexico.

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/

The claim a percentage of guns from any Latin American country can be concluded from ATF numbers is a false claim as not all guns recovered are submitted to the ATF. That’s why news sources include the caveat you failed to notice. It’s misleading from them but simply false from you because you don’t even include the caveat that the figures are not a representative sample.

 

Dude the ATF can only go by the info they have and it is sparse and slanted in the direction of shutting down gun stores that was the purpose of the previously mention Operation fast and furious. You may be willing to trust jack asses who are doing everything their power to shutdown licensed gun sellers but I am not.

 

Golem is not ignorant. That can be corrected.

If F-troop said the moon was made of green cheese, he's insist that was a fact.

 

There are none so ignorant as those who are firmly convinced of their own righteousness. You can also look at lee's sig line and note that he is wholly unable to recognize the inherent Irony there in.

 

But you DO need a gun to shoot a few dozen people in the space of a couple of minutes. Or are you going to claim you could kill a dozen people in two minutes with nothing but your hands.

 

Why do peace officers carry firearms?

 

well I hate to break the news to you but back 1990 or so, a pissed off Latino murdered more people with a dollar's worth of gas than any mass shooter in US History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

 

that's one of those questions the gun banners never can or will answer

Gun Banner: " the only purpose of an "assault weapon (or normal capacity magazine) is to kill as many people as fast as possible

Rational thinker: "than why are police issued those firearms by the hundreds of thousands"

gun banner--no answer or we get-well cops have to face criminals (as if private citizens don't)

Rational thinker-"so police officers are tasked with shooting as many criminals as possible"

it never goes past that

 

Police carry firearms because it is their job to protect the public.
They have background checks and training to be able to have that privilege.

The average police officer does not carry the equivalent of an AK-47.

Also the story about the arson job?

1. How many such killings have happened since 1990?
2. In the case of the Las Vegas shooter in 2017 he killed 60 people, injured over 400 and did it from a distance of 1,100 feet in the space of about 10 minutes

So comparing gun violence to "arson" violence is not comparing like to like.

 

do you understand that the AK 47 is a fully automatic assault rifle and that in the last 75 years not a single case of murder has been attributed to a legally possessed assault rifle in private hands. Many police departments routinely carry military surplus M16 rifles which have the same rate of fire as AK 47s and actually have slightly longer ranges.
https://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2014/08/defense_departments_gives_ohio.html#:~:text=Nearly 5,000 M16 rifles have,Columbus Police Department with 2,556.


The Shooter in Las Vegas had a DOZEN firearms that he used in that shooting. Those of us who actually understand firearms know that if he had bolt action rifles he most likely would have killed as many people.

So you think police have a "privilege". and guess what, many of us are better trained than police officers. In fact police officers rarely win shooting contests against private citizens.

you do know that your response did not address the points I raised in my post. If the only purpose of those "assault weapons" are to kill as many people as fast as possible, why are cops being issued them. Protecting the public is not the same as inflicting as many fatalities as possible against criminals.

 

No, most of us that understand how firearms work know that there is no way he could have killed 60 and injured 400 with a bolt action rifle.

Winning a shooting contest is NOT the same thing as being trained in the use of a firearm. You can be the most accurate shooter in the world and still not be able to use a gun in an actual tactical situation.

 

again, I and many other private citizens are far more competent with firearms in self defense situations than the vast majority of cops. That's why private citizens are less likely to shoot the wrong person in a violent confrontation than cops are and more likely to hit the bad guy. The most popular pistol shooting contests these days are the action events that require the ability to shoot tactically. I know, I trained DOJ attorneys who needed to carry. I was an instructor at one of the very top ranked training facilities-the one that was the first to really offer state of the art training for active shooters. And yes, 12 rifles, from a barricaded elevated position with massed targets-pretending that the only way Paddock racked up that many victims was due to the things people like you wrongly call "assault weapons" is silly.

once again-what is the purpose of the firearms police are issued
why are so many police being issued actual military assault rifles
is it because the purpose of the police is to inflict casualties on criminals
or is it because those rifles have several uses-beyond inflicting casualties on an enemy force

 

The average English longbowmen managed rather well.

 

Could "The average longbowman" kill 60 people, wound another 400 all from a distance of 1,100 feet in the space of 10 minutes?

If No, then your comparison is useless.

 

you do understand Paddock had about a dozen loaded rifles
the four hundred wounded includes many hurt by being trampled etc