Humans in Israel 400,000 Years Ago

That's true of many ancient civilizations.

I saw a fascinating show on TV recently about the arcitectural marvels of the Mayan civilization. There's a temple in one of the cities where if you clap at the base of one of its pyramids, the echo you hear sounds like the chirp of a bird. When acoustical engineers investigated that phenomenon, they discovered not only was this deliberate, the Mayans had figured out how to make the sound match the exact acoustical signature of a particular bird - the sacred Quetzal...

Absolutely amazing people...

 

Can't be. Humans began on 4004 B.C.

 

Young earth requires some real mentl gyrations.

 

Yes, I posted that verse at the end of page 11. You can check it out.

And yes the "word" rapture doesn't appear, but the concept is confirmed in several places. Interestingly, the "word" Bible doesn't appear in the bible either.

These are really lame attacks? Did you get them out of a some secondhand outdated book?

Keep chatting with me Margot. I'll make you a better skeptic. Right now you're really bad at this.

 

Thanks... One has to get pretty inventive and abandon the rules of the universe that God put in place.

Mountains were created by uplift of tectonic plates.. and valleys were cut by rivers or glaciers..

Or, we could say Pecos Bill created the Grand Canyon by riding a tornado.

 

Me too.

Which is why I'm behind a law against wearing cotton poly shirts and planting two kinds of crops in the same field.

Oh, and only owning slaves that were captured from neighboring tribes.

 

Well that's just the thing. Did God create rules that would eventually create a universe? Or did He directly create it? The answer to that question will help determine your world view.

I don't believe it's logical to look at current repetitive laws of nature to try to determine how nature came to be. No more than it would be to look at how a car functions to try to determine how it came to be. In both cases, I infer a purposeful creators who transcend the functions of their devises.

I don't think science is equipped to answer ontological questions.

 

LOLOL..

The best explanation for Genesis is that it was story of the Hebrews.. It establishes their history and identity.. It about the descendants of Abraham.. the Adamic line.

Even from the earliest part of the story when Cain is evicted from the family to travel East, marry and start a family.. and found a city... Even when God gives him a mark to protect him from the others, we know that their are other people on earth.

There is another way of looking at the story...

The snake in the garden of Eden is a matter of "dueling religions" because snake cults abounded all over Egypt, the Arabian Peninsula, the Indus Valley and Mesopotamia before the Genesis narrative. The snake was considered a symbol of fertility and rebirth because they could observe that snakes shed their skin..

Further, if this is a tale of Hunter Gathers versus an emerging Agrarian-Pastoral social construct.. the dilemma may have been about ceasing to trust in God's providence and taking their destiny into their own hands.

 

Cars are NOT organic.. The earth is.....

 

Modern Humans began with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden which is modern day Iraqi mountains (Homo-Sapien Archaic 500,00 to 200,000 years ago). So we know that they didn't come "out of Africa". Then they went to Israel, and spread out throughout Europe. This is where Modern Humans come from Europe, not Africa (Homo-Sapien Neandertalensis 230,000 to 30,000 years ago). Then they became modern humans(Homo-Sapien Sapien 120,000 years ago). Then from Europe, they emmigrated to Asia and Africa where the mixed the genetic lines with the local Homo-Erectus which is why we have the three basic Caucasians, Negroids, and Mongoloids races.

 

You are correct.

 

This is about the same time that humans began to experiment with agriculture instead of simply hunting/gathering. It was a momentous time in human history, and came after 95% of our history (to this point at least) had already passed.

I hadn't heard the snake as a religious symbol before, but that does make sense.

 

Not according to the Bible. Eden was destroyed in the flood. Some names of rivers were reused in the post flood world, but the old rivers certainly didn't survive. Reusing names of geographical places is very common.

From a biblical point of view, post flood civilization began wherever the ark landed.

 

Actually, just taking early genesis literally, Cain likely had thousands of women to choose from, just from the descendants of Adam alone. Abel wasn't murdered until Adam was 130 years old. This means Cain was likely well over 100 years old when he was banished from the land. He was likely already married with dozens of kids and hundreds of grandkids.

He may have just took his current wife to Nod, and started over with her at that time. Or she may have left him, and he found a new wife. The fish would have been plenty after 100 years of procreation with Adam and his first generation children.

 

on that 22 foot Mount Ararat.

 

It's actually the mountains of Ararat, and we're not sure which mountains those actually refer to.

 

Nobody lived 130 years.. the started pairing off and having children at age 17... and living to 80 years was extreme old age.

You don't have to invent thousands of women to choose from.

How do you know how old Abel was when he was murdered?

 

There was NO ark.. Its a children's fantasy.

 

Ken Ham is quite the comedian.

 

And yet we see countless legends of a flood and diaspora spanning virtually all continents and cultures of the world.

It would take more faith to determine these don't stem from a common event, than to believe it did.

 

..or strong drugs. lol

 

Margot,

Your purpose in posting your initial post is a quite transparent attempt to undermine Israeli claims to the area by showing they were not the first inhabitants of the area. The problem with that is, it also shows the Palestinians have no inherent right to the area in question because they, like the Jews, were not the first inhabitants of the area in question. Your thinly veiled attempt at delegitimizing the Jews rights to Israel are once again a major fail.

 

It's a fairly easy induction. Seth was born to Adam at age 130. He was Abel's replacement after Abel's death. That means Abel's death must have been close in time to Seth's birth.

And the Hebrew construct of the genealogies makes it clear that Cain and Able were not Adam's only kids.

So no problem from the text for Cain finding a wife. These were likely the most fertile people ever, with a divine mandate to boot.

 

The snake is represented by the 'Ourboro' and shows up in many civilizations that predate Genesis.

 

She's one sneaky woman.