"I accuse that woman there of having had an abortion!!!"

Shooting fish in a barrel.

For all their hopes and dreams of an Abortion Prohibition....most "pro-lifers" can't discuss it for long or at all...because they quickly see the reality that destroys their fantasy.

And those who DENY that "pro-lifers" want an Abortion Prohibition...there's no hope, since they are being blatently dishonest.

 

Yes I did. Do you understand what the analogy compares now?

They are both accidental outcomes of "irresponsible" actions.

Now. Why don't those drivers choose to be responsible?

 

Completely untrue. "The Majority" of accidents include innocent victims. They are being counted, not ignored.
The victims may be the most responsible drivers on Earth, but they can't protect themselves from someone who is not.
Why does that keep getting missed by you guys ?!

Whereas humans have the ability to protect themselves from pregnancy. Period.

Obviously. Since someone can't help repeating that abortion is just another form of birth control.

Funny because the mature supporters of abortion availability claims otherwise.

Yay for the states that add the abortion-rider to Obamacare, so we don't have to pay for that posters very expensive "birth control" choice.


Anyway, you're only confirming my point to Cady, that no pro-choicers care if the numbers are lower or higher.

 

BTW, as we see....very, VERY often....

the "pro-lifers" avoid the question in the OP to try to drag the thread to something they feel "more comfortable" discussing like fetal development or whatever.

Their "discomfort"...is all the proof you need that their beliefs are a house of cards that an intrusion of reality or just logic, causes to collapse.

 

They were. Someone ran into them.

 

Speaking of uncomfortable avoidance..... remember this ?

Then you asked one question.. I answered... and you bailed.

Why do you always bail on your own threads when someone calls you out for ridiculousness ?



rhetorical... we know why.

 

You are obviously evading the point. Responsible people have driving accidents and unwanted pregnancies all the time. People make mistakes, but one mistake doesn't make them irresponsible, it makes them human. And just as it is difficult to have a perfect lifetime driving record, it can be difficult for a woman to avoid unwanted pregnancy throughout all of her fertile years.

 

It comes up because it's true. If you want to be angry about it.... be angry at people on your side who are doing it... like:

and...

 

Someone already explained to you that not all Pro-Choicers think exactly alike but you chose to ignore that post like all the other ones you find too "inconvenient".

However, I believe Bowerbird may have meant that , in that context, most women don't use abortion repeatedly as birth control.

And I posted that without having to use cowardly secret code words

 

I did not read what 10char said and did not know such a fellow existed until now. What did he say that you think proves that a zygote is a human.

 

Speaking of avoidance, why can't you address the OP, ya know, the TOPIC?

 

It's not my argument. I never said I agree or disagree with him. Ask him. He may care. I don't.

/10char? You here?

 

So it's not a secret code word ...it's a desperate cry for help !

LOL!

 

Holy hell.... still going on about that ?!

Do you really need my attention this badly?


Hmmm....If only they had this web page.... where you could "search" things. What a clever idea that would be.

And it would keep angry, whiny people from ranting on all day about "code words" or other things that are absolutely nothing.........




ffs, the immaturity is astounding.

 

Cady, bypassing the heated debate about this topic and some of the stupid comments from other posters (not you).... and just talking one-on-one for a sec.... let me say this fast, because I just realized every other comment I've made in the thread has been removed.
I realize it's because they were to another mod, but still... while this one is allowed to last....


I don't believe every woman who has an unwanted pregnancy/abortion is an irresponsible person.
We were comparing 2 things but I don't think we connected where I thought we did.
If you only refer to the irresponsible drivers then your analogy is more valid, but I was referring to drivers (in general) and women (in general).
Stating only that drivers have less ability to avoid accidents than women do. By far.
There is no way in the world you can argue otherwise.

My beliefs on abortion are that I wish it never happened.
I do believe that those early stages of life are worth preserving.
You don't agree that it's life, and I accept that. That's why I don't push my beliefs on others. I may debate, but I am clear where I stand... and careful not to push my ideology beyond simple forum replies.

I don't fight against abortion because even though I hate it... and wish it didn't happen... I do realize where a woman's life is at stake, it is important for her to make the choice of her vs. her child. It happens. And women make both of those choices. I have known 2 people (the charity I am involved in has led me into the lives of many single women who happen to be pregnant, and always young), who have made the choice to end their lives... to save their baby's. Horrific. And no one in the world gets more respect from me, or others, than them. But the choice isn't always the mother's to make. The husband or Dr. sometimes have to make the choice and it's always for the mother, as I believe it should be. Hell, even if a mother chose her own life over the baby's, she has that right and I respect that too. I don't mean to imply otherwise.
The whole idea of ending a life is not an easy one for anybody. Sure, those who sit here arguing that it's not a life, seem to have no problem with that choice. And as we see, there are some who argue that abortion is just another form of birth control. Those people have zero respect from me, and from many others... even from the pro-choice side. Should they care? Of course not. So there is no need for them to respond with stupid "who cares if you respect us!" posts.... again. {hint}

Rape is another reason I don't argue against the legality. No reason to go into that, since it's blatantly obvious why.

I usually avoid this forum because as SMW said.... you feel kind of "dirty" after debating this stuff. So much immaturity and name calling from some... others are just angry and get pedantic about every other word... or post outdated statistics that aren't even relevant.... and of course everyone who goes on and on with "pro-lifers do this... pro-lifers do that!" childishness. One poster has even followed me to other threads because she is being ignored too much in this one.

I am pro life, and like all pro-lifers I know... I shouldn't even waste my time discussing this with a group who is only online to do just that.
No minds get changed, no one cares what the other thinks.

Anyway, in a nonsense thread where no one even cared about the dumb premise in the OP.... I thought I'd lay this out for you in case we talk again.
No one else... because I honestly don't give a F >>obscenity filter bypass!! catch it!!<< what they think.

Feel free to be condescending, or call me a "pro-lifer!!" now... it isn't an insult. Not sure why so many think it is.
But respectfully... I doubt I have anything further to add. I'm not a fan of just repeating the same things over and over.

With any luck, this post won't be deleted until you've read it.

 

You were the one that brought it up. I asked Rapunzel a question and she responded you/10char.

No clue what 10char said - hence "unintelligible"

 

lol, only an idiot would not look into it .. but hey if you are happy to wallow in ignorance that is your choice. No offence

 

Well they could protect themselves by just not driving cars - someone with an "anti global warming" agenda could just as well say that seatbelts should be banned, because if anyone's injured in an accident they should've just done the responsible thing and not drive a car to begin with

http://www.worldcarfree.net/

And people have the ability to protect themselves from Salmonella by just not eating poultry - what you're arguing is no different than PETA arguing that medical treatments against salmonella should be banned, because people can avoid it by "just doing the responsible thing and not eating meat to begin with".

How isn't it? A sperm cell is a form of "life" in the most basic biological definition, and birth control "kills" sperm cells - an egg 1 second after conception is a form of life as well - but neither have a brain or their own awareness like a viable fetus does, so how is early term abortion not a form of birth control - the burden's on you since you're making the assertion.

It's a moot point what PR people say because the only real issue is where human life begins - if it begins 1 second after conception then abortion is wrong, if it doesn't then early term abortion is just another form of birth control, and there's nothing wrong with that (unless you're not really "pro-life", just someone who believes you're in a position of authority to decree that it's people's responsibility to "give birth").

If early term abortion isn't murder, then why should I care? By what definition do you consider it murder?

If a person cracks a chicken's egg 1 second after it's fertilized, should they be charged with felony animal cruelty (as if they brutally murdered a live chick)?

I'm going by biology - you're going by an ethical agenda that you arrogantly believe you're in position to enforce on others completely irrelevant to what is/isn't a human life (by biological definition) - so your talking points aren't really any different than PETA's - they can claim that "meat is murder" but biologically, no that's not the case.

 

What question of yours did I fail to answer?

 

Micketto attempted to say that my hypothetical was false since it was based on the idea that there were "pro-lifers" who want abortion made illegal in this country....ergo, he is under no obligation to address the OP.

Even though he admitted....later.....that there ARE "some" "pro-lifers" who want abortion made illegal.

 

Then if an embryo is not a human, how is it evil? If you can't explain how it's evil but you "just think it is", then why should anyone believe what you say? Why should you believe PETA if they tell you that eating meat is evil?

 

If you didn't have lies... you'd have nothing at all.

I never addressed your OP. How many times do you need to be reminded ?

But since you brought it up to me for the umpteenth time... illegal abortion would fall on the provider's end. Not the receiver's.

You can't stop a woman from spreading her legs in a dirty alley if killing a child is that important to her.
No one would attempt to prosecute that, since there is no proof.
Hence the strawman hypothetical you are so well-known for.

As I an others have clearly stated.... your OP... is a joke.

That should be quite apparent based on all the focus on me in this thread... and not your OP.

Any existence of common sense would have told you that.

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Lol @ you following me from one thread to another to ask the same question.

(I'm headed to an Obamacare thread next. See ya there!)

ffs

 

Sorry to break it to you... but you haven't the ability to offend me.

Name calling included.. but admirable attempt.

I consider your preposterous claim that all abortions are over health risks, a stupid claim, I don't "look into it" because we all know better.
No one but you would ever make such a ludicrous statement.


....and you call ME the idiot.

Got it

 

So now you're saying that an embryo is a child the second after conception (after originally saying it isn't)? What's your biological basis for it?

And by the same standard then, should a person who crack's a chicken's egg 1 second after fertilization be charged with felony animal cruelty (since it's no different than a chicken).

And if it is a person, then how can you justify legalizing killing it in cases of rape and incest? If a woman couldn't afford an abortion should she be allowed to kill at 2 year old just because it was conceived via rape or incest?

Again, no consistency here

You're not interested in any serious discussion so you're just dancing around the key issues. From what I gather you don't really believe it's murder, you just have an elitist attitude and believe you have the authority to dictate to others that they're "obligated" to give birth. You're more concerned about the "sex" (gasp) than any real issue of human life

 

When did I say either of those things ?

With you. Because all you do is repeat yourself... put words in my mouth.... and follow me from thread to thread.

If I were a liberal I would call that harassment and complain.

It's getting a bit creepy..... I thought it was that other poster I had to worry about.