I think you're walking down a dead end. Whatever point you're trying to make seems very trivial, and I don't think it will be worth your effort. But I'm happy to indulge you. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to get at though. We are talking about the difference between the entire childhood population compared to a tiny subset of the adult population who chooses to go into high disease areas, and very likely will choose to be vaccinated of their own accord.
The point is herd immunity. It takes just one infected tourist to spread a disease among thousand of unvaccinated children IF there is not a large degree of herd immunity present. And that herd immunity is created through vaccination. We are being how fast the measles can spread among unvaccinated individuals right now. Imagine if only 10 or 20% of those children had been vaccinated compared to over 80%.
So now everyone has to be required to be vaccinated because of globalization? It worked better in the old days when there were very few people travelling back and forth to disease-ridden Third World countries. New York's diversity is probably what gave the U.S. its AIDS epidemic in the 70s.
No, of course not, I'm just saying things used to be very different 50 years ago and that was probably not something we really had to worry about so much. Of course it could have been possible, but far far less likely.
50 years ago it was FAR worse. German measles swept through the country leaving thousands of babies with permanent hearing loss. We had thousands of people working in Africa and the Middle-East on oil projects. The 50's and 60's saw hundreds of thousands of cases of measles - which dropped off dramatically after the vaccine was introduced. It was FAR more likely to catch infectious diseases 50 years ago than it is today.
There's been at least a whole generation (probably two) in America where almost all of those diseases had been eradicated. Yes, they were initially eradicated with vaccines, but after that generation those vaccines became less of a needed thing. But it's only been with the mass pouring in of immigration that we've begun to seen a resurgence in those diseases. In the old days the U.S. used to send all their immigrants through Ellis island and check them for diseases before they were admitted.
It's insane in the era of being able to fly anywhere in the world in a matter of hours to think that infectious disease won't be spread by American tourists returning home. And if they return to a population that isn't vaccinated - that disease is going to spread rapidly.
People could fly anywhere in the world in the late-60s, and even decades before then. But it wasn't so much of an issue. A lot of vacation travelers just went to Europe, or a lot of tourists just went to safe havens in other countries where they didn't have much actual interaction with the locals. In those days if anyone travelled to China or Japan it was considered very exotic, not the typical place people travelled to. It was very rare for anyone to go to Africa, that was really wild. But these days it's all changed, with lots of immigrants going back and forth to visit their families.
Yeah, now they exist in America. I think these diseases were a lot rarer between the late 50s to 80s, and maybe even into the 90s.
When I was in this nations Army,. we were FORCED to get vaccines. Trust me, We got the hell vaccinated out of us.
same here, and republicans are..... only those that can afford life after birth https://web.archive.org/web/20051219170102/http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151448,00.html
oh I am for allowing people to choose to vax or not, I just think they are stupid for choosing not to vax wasn't it republicans during the Ebola scare that wanted to lock up doctors with no signs of the disease?
I'm a confirmed antibioticker, but that stuff works well until bugs build generalized resistance, and it works with few side effects. If antibiotics can't help they are very extremely unlikely to hurt. I was a vaxxer until swine flu came along and the vax was worse than the disease. My outlook now is to allow every family and grown individual to choose for themselves.
Abortion is about women's rights - the right to make decisions about their own body. Unfortunately, the choice not to vaccinate doesn't just affect the chooser - it can spread disease to very young and very old, very easily.
Science must be very extremely careful not to make harmful vaccines. Because public confidence can be totally lost in a heartbeat.
