I beleive the Tea Party is strongly tied to racism.

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    This refers to overt racism where the motive is clearly based upon race which is generally unlikely. As I noted most Tea Party racism is de facto racism.

    Let me provide an example. Lets make all criminal offenses a "hanging" offense. That doesn't directly appear racist but the fact that law enforcement and our criminal justice system reflects racial discrimination then the de facto impact of "hanging" all criminals would result in racism because of the racial discrimination in law enforcement.

    Just because a person doesn't know that their actions result in racial discrimination doesn't imply that the action isn't racist. They're just too dumb to know it.

    That's the serious underlying problem with racial prejudice. The prejudice affects the person's thinking so their actions create racial discrimination but they're completely unaware of it because they're not aware of their prejudice.
     
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    Nonsense.
     
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    Jim Crow has been dead for a half century.
     
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    that's funny coming from the guy that thought there were more people in chicago than the rest of the state
     
  5. Albert Di Salvo

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    The head of Bacchus will roll if he keeps up the personal attacks.
     
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    You must be a woman. They always do that.
     
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    Oh, so a lack of economic parity has a disparate impact on blacks?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The lack of economic parity is an "effect" where the "cause" is racial prejudice that denies equality of opportunity. We need to address the "cause and effect" relationship to understand the root of the problem. Racial prejudice results in racial discrimination which denies equality and is accurately referred to as "racism" in the United States. As noted this is "de facto racism" because the person is typically not aware of the fact that they are racially prejudiced but that prejudice does result in racism.

    There are other factors unrelated to racism that are also problematic with the Tea Party movement's agenda though. For example "economic stratification" generally relegates those that are poor to stay poor, those in the middle class to stay in the middle class, and those that are wealthy to gain more wealth because they have incomes far in excess of what they can possibly spend.

    The Tea Party often misrepresents the "facts" when they refer to the wealthy by stating the top 5% pay most of the taxes in the United States but ignore the fact that the wealthy have the lowest tax burden relative to income in the United States. This is "bad" at the federal level but is actually far worse at the state level of taxation. Income taxes are only a small part of overall taxation and even at the federal level the "income taxes" imposed on the wealthy impose a much lower tax burden relative to income than they do for low and middle income workers in America.

    Without any "partisan" implications I would note that Mitt Romney, because we know what he paid in taxes, had well over 100 times my income while my federal tax burden relative to income was roughly twice as much as Romney's in 2011. It makes no logical sense when someone with over $20 million in income has a lower tax burden relative to income when compared to someone with only a small fraction of their income. At the same time I live in Washington State where a low income worker has over 14-times the tax burden relative to income when compared to high income earners in this state. Considering the fact we had roughly a trillion dollar deficit for 2011 the problem wasn't that I paid too much but instead that Romney paid too little in federal taxes for 2011.

    We really need two things to happen related to taxation in the United States. We need to ensure that the tax burden relative to income is the same for everyone at both the state and federal level. We also need to collect enough in taxes to pay for all government (local, state, and federal) authorized expenditures.

    The Tea Party doesn't advocate either of these requirements related to taxation.
     
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    Bill maher said it best

    "I'm not saying that if your a Republican your a racist, but I AM saying that if your racist? your a republican."
     
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    That sentence seems to highlight your misguided thoughts concerning economics and racial or minority parity. For once do you think you could give us an example or two of how racial prejudice denies anyone equality of opportunity? Didn't those quota and affirmative action programs give all the opportunity needed or desired to those you believed to have been denied equal opportunity? Its difficult to figure out your reasoning here.
     
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    'Nationalism' or 'socialism' or 'racialism' cause opposition. Because these things do not really exist, are political labels (derived from the words nation, social, race), are strategic (raise emotion/anger in people) The more people start to fight 'nationalism', 'socialism', 'racists', 'communists', 'nazis', etc., the larger such an anti group will become. In other words these political labels cause organisation of millions.
    This era is about organisation of the masses, politics is a mass organisation split into the parties with each a political leaders. Politics is a system that causes millions of people to become angry (because each topic does), resist and fight (it's a war system, not a peace system) Politics will not stop using these tactical labels, because they gain power by using em (they are using em for over a hundred years now, millions use these labels, because people copycat, via mass media planted in their minds, after decades completely 'integrated', part of our thoughts, in other words, we think by using/mixing artificial words (terms and/or labels, and also tags, party name abbreviations, tp, dem, green, rep, lib)
    There are radicals and haters in every ethnic group, so in each party there are.
    Means that TP, Rep and Dem are not very different, but the propaganda (via mass media, the links you published) can cause difference in people's thoughts by using these labels (ideology) Politics is (at this moment) about causing fight and organisation, not about solving problems (socially, racially, culturally, etc)
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    That is inaccurate though based upon a study of racial prejudice conducted last year. It found that 32% of Democrats expressed explicit anti-black racial prejudice. Additionally I read that this same study found that 40% of African- Americans also expressed explicit anti-black racial prejudice.

    Of course this same study found that 78% of Republicans expressed explicit anti-black racial prejudice so the problem is basically twice as bad for Republicans when compared to anyone else.

    Racial prejudice is an across the board problem for Americans.
     
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    Plenty of racist democrats around to prove that one wrong.
     
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    you're wrong again, what a surprise
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    In 2003 the marketing research firm did a study on this that reflected that when all things except skin color were equal an "white" job applicant was basically 2.4 to 3.4 times more likely to be employed when compared to an African-American.

    http://www.epi.org/publication/webfeatures_snapshots_archive_09172003/

    It needs to be pointed out that all of the candidates were equally qualified based upon their resumes and interviews and that the "hiring person" was not an overt racist. They did have racial prejudice though so when they reviewed the resumes and talked with the applicants they legitimately believed the "white" person was more qualified than the "black" person. Racial prejudice is invidious because the person doesn't even know it's affecting their judgment.


    Strictly speaking Affirmative Action only addresses US government contractors and subcontractors with more than 50 employees. This is an insignificant percentage of the private employers in the United States and since AA was created it's only benefited about 125,000 people annually including women as well as designated minorities. It must also be pointed out that even with these 125,000 annually that have a positive benefit from AA that this is a one-time shot and they are faced with continued denial of equality in all other aspects of their life. For example, an African-American might get a job because of AA but then denied promotion and advancement because of racial prejudice. If they leave that employment then they're subject to racial prejudice at the next place they apply for work.

    What can also be noted is that "white" are not discriminated against because of Affirmative Action. The cases are anecdotal while statistically there has never been discrimination against "whites" in employment in the United States.
     
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    The problems of African America will never be solved. African America lacks self-awareness. They lead unexamined lives.
     
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    I Believe ... Liberals ... Are Strongly Tied to Racism

    Culled from the web -

    "Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness." -- Mary Frances Berry, former Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

    “Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.” -- Mary Frances Berry, former Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

    "(Obama’s) a nice person, he’s very articulate this is what’s been used against him, but he couldn’t sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic." -- Dan Rather

    “White folks was in the caves while we [blacks] was building empires … We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was … we taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." -- Al Sharpton

    "‘Hymies.’ ‘Hymietown.’" -- Jesse Jackson’s description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.

    "A few years ago, (Barack Obama) would have been getting us coffee." -- Bill Clinton to Ted Kennedy

    "The Israeli puppeteer travels to Washington and meets with the puppet in the White House. He then goes down Pennsylvania Avenue and meets with the puppets in Congress. The Israeli leader then 'brings back millions of dollars' in aid to Israel." -- Ralph Nader

    "(Harry Reid) was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one." -- Harry Reid's comments reported by Mark Halperin and John Heilemann

    "I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia [Sen. Robert C. Byrd, a former Ku Klux Klan recruiter] that he would have been a great senator at any moment. . . . He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this nation." -- Former Democratic Senator Christopher Dodd (D.,Conn.)

    "Let me see one of you adopt one of those ugly black babies." -- Abortionist Ashutosh Ron Virmani

    “There’s no great, white bigot; there’s just about 200 million little white bigots out there.” -- USA Today columnist Julienne Malveaux

    "Them Jews aren’t going to let (Obama) talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he’ll talk to me in five years when he’s a lame duck, or in eight years when he’s out of office. …They will not let him talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is.” -- Jeremiah Wright

    "There’s white racist DNA running through the synapses of his or her brain tissue. They will kill their own kind, defend the enemies of their kind or anyone who is perceived to be the enemy of the milky white way of life." -- Jeremiah Wright

    "The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years.” -- Louis Farrakhan

    “White people shouldn’t be allowed to vote. It’s for the good of the country and for those who’re bitter for a reason and armed because they’re scared.” -- Left-wing journalist Jonathan Valania

    "(Joseph Lowery) said that when he was a young militant, he used to say all white folks were going to hell. ...'Then he mellowed and just said most of them were. Now, he said, he is back to where he was.’" -- The Daily Mail quotes Joseph Lowery, who gave the benediction at President Obama’s inauguration

    "We are owned by propagandists against the Arabs. There’s no question about that. Congress, the White House, and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists. No question in my opinion. They put their money where their mouth is…We’re being pushed into a wrong direction in every way." -- Helen Thomas

    “You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent.” -- Joe Biden

    “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” -- Joe Biden

    "I give interracial couples a look. Daggers. They get uncomfortable when they see me on the street." -- Spike Lee

    “I want to go up to the closest white person and say: ‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing’ and then slap him, just for my mental health.” — New York City Councilman, Charles Barron

    "We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops. They ought to go." -- Marion Barry

    “The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person…” -- Barack Obama

    “That’s just how white folks will do you. It wasn’t merely the cruelty involved; I was learning that black people could be mean and then some. It was a particular brand of arrogance, an obtuseness in otherwise sane people that brought forth our bitter laughter. It was as if whites didn’t know that they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you deserving of their scorn.” -- Barack Obama

    And let's not forget Occupy Wall Street, the Tea Party wannabes - Occupy Wall Street's Race Problem.
     
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    Shall we tally the each side? I can say without a doubt that most of the bigotted racist stuff said in congress would be 99.999999999999% coming from a republicans lips.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The problem isn't with African-Americans, the problem is with those that stereotype them and form racial prejudice that leads to the discrimination and oppression of African-Americans in the United States that has existed since before the United States even existed. African-Americans have never enjoyed equality in the United States and have always been oppressed. What part of that do so many fail to understand?

    Given equality the African-Americans would "raise themselves up from their bootstraps" but they can't do that as long as someone is standing on their necks which is exactly what's happening and has been happening throughout American history.
     
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    Do white people make black women have babies out of wedlock at the rate of seventy three percent?
     
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    The problem with that is that libs see everything through a lens of race so even things that are not racist are interpreted as racist by libs. It is a hazard that everyone else has to put up with. It's like living with a crazy aunt.
     
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    There is strong linkage between economic oppression of African-Americans and the breakdown in the African-American family. We can also note that Republicans are on a campaign in several states where they control the government to close Planned Parenthood clinics that provide free birth control for women living in poverty which will make this problem even worse. Republicans have also traditionally opposed condom programs in school that have been effective in reducing teen pregnancy. Of course Republicans also oppose abortion so any young African-American girl that gets pregnant by accident would be required to have the child if Republicans had their way.

    Of course Republican give lip service to women having a child if they become pregnant and then condemn African-American women that get pregnant and have the child. The hypocrisy of the Party of Angry White Men is never-ending.
     
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    You mean like this angry white man?

    [video=youtube_share;dGeb5Q766kg]http://youtu.be/dGeb5Q766kg[/video]
     
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    "There is strong linkage between economic oppression of African-Americans and the breakdown in the African-American family."

    Taxcutter says:
    I don't buy a word of that.

    In the first half of the twentieth century, there was no shortage of economic and political oppression against black people - Jim Crow, mostly. But during that period black families were far more cohesive than they are today. Higher percentage of black men and women were and stayed married. Bastards were rare. Black intellectual activity peaked in the Harlem Renaissance.

    Today with Jim Crow gone for half a century and Affirmative Action paving the way for black socio-economic mobility, we have astronomical rates of bastards, few marriages and those that do happen are less likely to survive until the children are grown. Schools are shunned by black students. they think doing well academically is being "white."

    Big difference: Free stuff. Free stuff from the government makes it possible to exhibit sociopathic behavior and still get by. Why work when you can get food SNAP/EBTs, Section Eight housing, energy assistance,etc.? During the days of the Harlem Renaissance blacks got ahead in spite of Jim Crow. Today, despite the fact that even the old folks can barely remember Jim Crow, and Affirmative Action opens doors for the unqualified,nobody but a handful of entertainers and federal bureaucrats manage to get ahead.

    Why is it black people rarely adopt black children? White people snap up loose babies in adoption.
     
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    When I was young the black family was generally intact. Daniel Patrick Moynihan coined the phrase Benign Neglect. Remember that?

    Only livestock use abortion as a matter of convenience.

    Why don't you form a tax exempt nonprofit charitable foundation to distribute condoms to those who are incapable of obtaining their own rubbers? Donations would be tax deductible to the extent provided by law.

    African Americans should have abortions. Wasn't that the position of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood?

    Actually, I'm pretty consistent in my hatred for my political enemies, e.g., African Americans and other leftists. Ideologically based animosity is perfectly legitimate. If you don't believe me just ask Saul Alinsky.
     
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