If abortion were used as a primary method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies per year -- 30 or more during her lifetime. In fact, most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only one previous abortion (26%). Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.
Where did I say “ primary means”? it should not be allowed as a secondary or last resort birth control method either!!!!
You seemed to be suggesting that women mainly use abortions as a method of birth control, I was demonstrating that this is not true. Abortion and Birth Control are not the same thing. Educate yourself.
Um... Abortion prevents birth. How is that not birth control? Whatever else you want to see it as, yes, it is also birth control.
A contraceptive method, by definition, prevents pregnancy by interfering with ovulation, fertilization or implantation. Abortion ends an established pregnancy, after implantation.
... and prevents birth. Sure sounds like "birth control" to me. It may not meet a technical medical deifinition, but it meets the purpose of the posts above. The idea is that its done out of convenience to avoid giving birth, and having a baby, which it often is.
Yes. And I don't see why we can't also call it birth control, since its being done to control whether or not a birth happens.
But that is not the primary rationale for abortion. Too many have blamed women for “using abortion as birth control” the subtext is that women are too incompetent and or too “immoral” or lazy to bother with conventional birth control,
Condoms can break. The pill can fail. So sure, not fair to levy that at some women who get abortions. But quite fair to levy it at others, who don't bother with condoms or other contraceptives, thinking they can have an abotion if it comes to that. I don't find this subtext entirely unjustified.
Don't you guys understand that these kinds of horrible pregnancies are GA-HAWD'S proper PUNISHMENT on these SINFUL JEZEBELS for tempting an INNOCENT MAN to risk his IMMORTAL SOUL in having ILLICIT SEX? Woman, truly thou art a VESSEL OF SIN and it is up to your Holy and Evangelical Republican Politicians to see that the proper punishments are being meted out. This all started back when they got the vote, but I hear Justice Thomas is working on that.
Thank you for priving my point in relation to the subtext here “Women are incompetent” “Women cannot use birth control properly” “Women cannot be trusted with birth control” “Women are not capable of making their own decisions” Yes thank you for that insult to women everywhere Do you know why there are at least 6 different methods of birth control women must try to deploy but only 2 for men? Because of the difference between “perfect” use of a condom and “typical” use. Condoms fail 15% of the time with “typical” use. That is 15 women out of every 100 will get pregnant - because of male ineptitude. not so nice when the tables are turned is it?
So women who don't use birth control should have their rights taken away? Should your rights be taken away every time you make a mistake or make a life choice that others don't agree with? Are YOU going to monitor every woman's sex life to see if she's using birth control you approve of? Don't you find that an odd thing to do?
That is just NOT the definition of "birth control" as used in America. There is a big difference between prophylaxis and abortion. Pretending there isn't is pure sophistry, used for political purpose.
What's not justified is thinking that the issue you bring up is one that should be decided by high stakes legal enforcement by the government.
"Have their rights taken away" is an awfully broad statement. No, they should not have their rights generally taken away. But should they have the right to kill after they themself put the being in the danger its now in, leading them to want to kill it? That's another question. That depends on the choice, and on the right, and on the competing rights of others. I have a right to free movement, and to swing my fist in any direction I please... until your face happens to be there. If I force you to sit there, should I complain that you are taking away my rights by telling me not to swing my fist there?
The killing of other people is very much one that should be decided by society at large, and not just the "private choice of a woman and her doctor". The question of course is whether or not the being she wants to kill should be considered another person, or a being deserving any such protection by society. Many say no. Many say yes. And people on both sides of that question think the answer is obvious and disregard those who answer it the other way.
Claiming there is no difference between abortion and birth control is just plain BS. There isn't any other "side" to that.
That is not what I posted about. I posted about the sophistry you sign up to by suggesting that abortion and prophylaxis are the same thing. Those are NOT THE SAME. The American population very well knows that. .... And, on to what is your more serious fail. READ THE OP. As the OP pointed out, a fetus can, in fact, be DEAD or otherwise represent a serious healthcare problem for the woman. Yet Republicans are writing laws that assign NO VALUE to the life and health of the woman. Please cite the source for deterring that to be a moral position. Are there religious passages that declare the woman's life to be irrelevant? Is there some philosophy you are following? If so NAME it.
There is a difference in the same sense that there is a difference between a dog and a mammal. One is a subset of the other.
That sounds especially like political sophistry. They think it is a moral position becuase they are balancing the very life of one being, against the choice of another who wants to kill him/her/it, and they choose the life. So do most of us in most other contexts if we consider both to be equals ethically and morally. The woman's life? What about the life of theunborn? In most cases an abortion isn't a matter of life or death for the woman wanting to kill the unborn. It by its very definition a matter of life and death for the unborn.
