Discussion in 'Firearms and Hunting' started by Trinnity, Feb 9, 2012.
If any of you liberal (*)(*)(*)(*)s have a problem with it, just pretend she's aborting babies.
I am a hunter.
I hunt for food. I hunt for sustenance.
I do not kill for fun, and I certainly do not use consciousness and living creatures for nothing more than target practice. I need not take a life to prove I can shoot sub MOA. There is a huge difference between killing animals for a purpose (food for example) and killing them for nothing more than a quick thrill.
I find those who do kill for fun to be sadistic.
Wodenson made a good point about abortion. Would you consider those abortionists in their murdering of human life as sadistic as those of us who would just soon shoot a nasty pigeon before they shiit on our heads?
Soooooo..... killing animals for fun is the same as abortion for medical reasons?
Are you demonstrating your blatant inability to understand the simpleist of arguments again?
Those who kill animals for fun are sadistic. Those who have abortions for fun are sadistic (I would absolutely love to see an example of this).
Its all rather simple.
Abortion for medical reasons? Wow, how long have you been out of the loop? I would imagine out of the over 1 million abortions/murders carried out each year that perhaps a handful at best are done for medical reasons. No, the reasons for abortion are many which would include the woman not having the ability to live up to motherhood, having a bad hair day or a bad case of PMS, and of being too dumb to realize that she could have willing couples adopt said baby etc.
And I don't look at my shooting nasty/dirty pigeons as being fun as much as I see it as being my promise to GOD to keep his beautiful creation of earth as clean as possible. You really should take down that false image of GOD as depicted in your avatar. Once you appreciate GOD's children, i.e. birth of our babies, then and only then should you be allowed to post that current avatar. Blasphemy becomes you.
Consciousnesses are not isolated to merely human beings, all cognitive animals share a place in the pool of conscienceness. It is a bit silly to assume that just because we are human its alright to kill whatever for fun. Oh wait, I forgot, you are cleaning up God's creation. Cleaning up from the very creatures that such a deity placed here? Do you not see how paradoxical and asinine such a statement is? Do yourself a favor and think for a moment.
I respect all cognitive life. I see a coyote, my friend asks me to shoot it, I refuse, he asks for the gun, I refuse. The coyote is living its own life. There is a beetle on my aunt's floor, she tells me to smash it, I refuse, I place it outside. She asks me why, in my reply I utter "The beetle is merely living its life". Your idea if life seems to apply to a group of cells without conscienceless and excludes any conscience life that is not a white American... er I mean, at least human. Its a bit silly, and has no justification.
At a certain a certain point abortion is inexcusable. When the fetus develops a nervous system and demonstrates brain activity, then the argument against abortion can easily be made.
Of course, this is all just a red herring. Abortion has nothing to do with using cognitive creatures as nothing more than target practice for sick kicks. Such acts are morally repugnant. Do I need to kill a small animals to prove I can shoot a small target? Why not just use paper to prove I can shoot 4" and 500yds?
So no Sir, it is you who blasphemy becomes. You and your kind are the blasphemy against our Creation.
We are all one consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, and life is but a dream.
Nice post wolverine.
One of the fundamental principals I have chosen to instill in my child is a respect for all life. I would be as upset to see my son maliciously squashing ants as I would to see him squashing adorable little puppies.
I find it humorous when people get upset about different cultures eating dogs but wouldn't have the slightest concern for how our food live stock is treated.
Intently causing anything undue suffering or harm, especially just for your enjoyment, is 100% wrong in my opinion.
I don't hunt anything but paper. I do understand the need to hunt prairie dogs and it involves protecting larger, more precious animals such as cows, horses or any other animal who's leg can go into a prairie dog hole and break. One also has to understand that population control is important, especially if you have livestock or pets that can be hunted by larger predators that feed on prairie dogs. If you control the population, you control the predators as well. If you let the population go wild, it will follow the natural cycles. Some years you will have very large populations and thus more predators while other years will see fewer prairie dogs. The problem is that predators live many years. During the lean years, they are going to be looking for other tasty treats like cats, dogs, or other farmyard animals. I live close to the foothills here in Colorado. You can tell when it is a bad year for prairie dogs because you will see numerous coyotes and foxes wandering around in urban neighborhoods and start to hear of overly agressive predators going after pets and even children.
Ridding them for population control is one thing, it is another to claim that you enjoy shooting them for target practice.
There is a rancher who own property West of town, I will occasionally go out there and shoot varmints. I do however, take the varmints to a friend of mine to feed his hawks.
Here its ground-squirrels for "target-practice" IF they are around and about one's property. They devastate the private roads, foundations, etc. by digging underneath and undermining. Not many feral cats around here, most become Coyote food.
Where are you at, and what are you hunting in that pic?
Nutria rats and asian carp are both invasive species (in the U.S.) having a detrimental effect on the indigenous fauna. Same with boa constrictors and other
invasive snake species in Florida.
There is no other choice but to eradicate them, they populate well beyond natural predators ability to control them.
I don't know about the groundhog situation and if it's truly necessary to have population checks...but many times thinning the herd is beneficial to all of nature.
I am the guy in the office (and the dad at home) whom everyone calls to catch and release the critters that find their way into our office or hangar (and/or our house).
Some call me a tree-hugger and an animal lover.
Brown spiders, wolf spiders, innocuous spiders, small non-poisonous snakes, june-bugs, beetles, whatever, I catch them and release them outside, or back into the acres that I own back behind our house.
I can't see any reason to kill them. They don't harm me or mine.
Same thing with the cotton rats, rabbits, nearby cats, raccoons, birds, frogs, and crawdads. They all live peaceably under my watch.
Even small poisonous snakes that live out their existence in the creek and far way from my house and the immediate sphere of family travels, they are allowed to live.
Now. All that said;
Flies. They must die. I smack them and kill them.
Larger poisonous snakes that find their way into my immediate yard, close to where my wife and dogs travel. They must die. I shoot them.
Black Widow spiders, as beautiful as they are; they die.
Brown Recluse spiders, filthy, nasty creatures that they are. They also die.
Lastly, home invaders and burglars;
If I catch them inside my house, they will die.
Any questions or comments?
I think your stance is laudable. There is no need to kill wild animals/insects in their natural environment. (Except hunting for food) Killing dangerous wildlife in the proximity of one's home and family is just being responsible.
I can think of at least 5 reasons for shooting animals, none of which would be breaking any one of GOD's wishes for mankind.
#1. Shooting for sport
#2. Shooting to prevent overpopulation
#3. Shooting to prevent a diseased species from propagating
#4. Shooting nasty varmints that ruin a person's day such as a pigeon
#5. Shooting animals as a food source, and in doing so ruining an animal right's activist and a vegetarian's day.
And as a bonus I'll tell you that I've engaged in all 5 of those activities under GOD's auspice
If its any consolation to you, I'll have you know that I've taken in this cute little alley cat to shower with love and affection, which might prove to be enough to soothe the over sensitivities of the goody-two-shoes types out there.
You have a very odd and misguided concept of God.
Says the secularist that prefers to see everything with a pair of rose colored glasses.
Yes, I do favor removing religion from government.
How did you guess?
Oh... wait... you don't know what secular means do you?
What when the ground hogs and the feral cats are shooting back? One time a kangoroo almost shot me.
See I was brought up that if you shoot it it you eat it, which is cool, groundhogs are alright, although only well done, never shot a cat though, that might be weird, I like cats...
Why's it matter if the cat was feral or domestic?
I think that attitude's pretty stupid - ex. that a cat has more of a "right to life" than the cow that you eat at McDonald's does, simply because the cat is "cuter". Animals aren't people sure, but if we applied that standard to humans, it wouldn't be much different than the Nazi ideology that people's worth is determined by their racial features. Just sayin'
Unless you are a vegan then you really don't follow your own belief system.
Though in all honesty, if you have "ever" eaten meat, then based on that ideology, you're as bad as Jeffery Dahmer - you can't just "stop eating meat" one day and decide the slate is clean, just like Dahmer couldn't have just decided one day to stop killing/eating people and just say "Oh well I'm a good person who respects human life now".
So if you truly took that ideology to the extreme, then you'd have to be willing to turn yourself into the police for murder - though since there's no death penalty/life in prison for killing/eating an animal in this country, then I suppose you'd have to either lock yourself in a cage for the rest of your life, or hang yourself - just to be fair.
Hunting isn't purely "for sport" either. As far as shooting animals and just leaving them their to rot, I'd say that's wasteful and disrespectful of life, yeah. If the animal's used as food, or killed to prevent it from preying on other animals, then I'd have no problem with it.
You could apply that same standard to atheists who intentionally start topics only for the purpose of annoying/offending Christians.
And the guy who started the thread said he kills groundhogs and feral cats to prevent them from damaging wooden structures and preying on birds, not just "because I like killing", so it's a moot point anyway.
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