I may want an AR-15???

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to confuse you.
    It means you pulled your claim out of your patootie.
     
  2. Lucifer

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    So you're claiming that your average run-of-the-mill burglar is going to shoot a dog and ransack the house, all the while an alarm is going off -- in an apartment?

    If such did occur, then that would not be a run-of-the-mill burglary.
     
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    It depends on the system you design and purchase. No alarm system is 100% foolproof.
     
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    No....I clearly and obviously asked you a question, as indicated by the "?" at the end of my post.
    You avoided it.
    I'll ask again:
    As you cannot possibly have any sort of realistic assessment of his risks, and you cannot addresses the issues previously put to you, why would a reasonable, rational person think your suggestion that he simply "get an alarm and a dog" has any merit?
     
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  5. Lucifer

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    Probably because you are talking from your "patootie".
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Says they guy who claims "most alarms have a 108bd siren" with no ability whatsoever to support it.
     
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    Bullcrap, many apartment dwellers, by their lease cannot even have a dog, so that is out of the picture from the get go, furthermore pets require ongoing maintenance, vet visits, annual shots and the daily walk or lacking that a clean up of the dog poop in the apartment.

    Then there are the evictable complaints of a dog barking all day long, the damage they can do to furniture, personal items and unless properly trained, which costs a lot of money, will go and hide when a intruder hits the apartment.

    A firearm on the other hand requires none of that, it's ready to go all the time and all the owner needs to do is train himself not himself and a animal.

    As such it is a much better choice.
     
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    You're being beyond obtuse.

    I'm not going to repeat myself anymore because you are unable to read my words.

    My advice is based on having worked in the security field for 8 years selling and monitoring alarm systems. That is the merit that I bring to the issue.
     
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    Inside sirens only alert occupants and are a minor deterrent to someone hitting a residence, combine that with a timeout setting in the alarm system control panel and they become useless to run off an burglar.
     
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    You are, as expected, still avoiding the question.
    As this will not change, I, yet again, graciously accept your concession.

    Please - feel free to make another claim you cannot support and will soon concede.
     
  11. Lucifer

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    You're right. An apartment residence does change the dynamic since he does not own the property. Which generally means the alarm system would need to be wireless. As for the dog issue, that depends on the apartment owner, and there are many places that do allow pets.

    The disadvantage of the gun as the sole means here is that what happens when he is not home? I believe the OP stated he does not want to get involved with concealment permits.

    Some of the best customers I sold alarm systems to were gun owners -- after they had been robbed of their guns! I've seen entire gun safes ripped from bolted floors. Those were not run-of-the-mill burglaries, those were inside jobs. Someone knew the owner had guns and knew when they were not going to be home.
     
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    So please, explain how you "bypass" an alarm system.
     
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    Except that the premise of what was being discussed was that of an alarm going off.
    I do think it hysterical that you have gone to the extreme of coming up with the “disabling the electrical system” scenario.
     
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    Sure thing...:roll:
     
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    Our neighbor has an alarm system and they accidentally set it off quite often. One time it woke us up and our bedroom is on the opposite of where they are AND their house is about 75 yards away from us. THAT is how damn loud their silly alarm system is
     
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    A concealment permit for a AR-15, are you serious?

    Most residential burglaries are committed by people who have already been the home as friends or associates.
     
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    Actually very true, once a zone is tripped the inside siren will time out and then means nothing, and none of them are not loud enough to cause hearing damage or disorientation of the intruder.
     
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    That's an outside siren, totally different than an inside siren.

    Inside sirens are only allowed to be, by regulations and product liability to not cause hearing damage.
     
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    Read the OP's responses.

    My question is why an AR-15 in the first place?

    It depends on the area, but in general burglaries are opportunistic crimes. People leaving windows open, doors unlocked, garages open are usually the common reasons houses get burglarized. You can usually tell the level of sophistication based upon what is taken.
     
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    You’ve been watching too many movies. The avg home intruder is not tripping anything. As soon as the alarm goes off they are taking off.
    Why did you mention that bit about an alarm not being loud enough to cause hearing damage or disorient the intruder? Did someone try to say an alarm does those things? If so, you might want to tell it to that person.
     
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    Nope. They only have an inside alarm.
     
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    The siren in and of itself is not the main deterrence. It is the monitoring of the alarm system.
     
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    Totally incorrect, most of the time, if the home is unoccupied the intruders will simply rip the internal siren off the wall and go about their business, which is why I never install an inside siren (as is often done) adjacent to the alarm control panel, as that leads the intruders to the heart of the system and it's reporting.

    Because that's regulated and exceeding a set level, (108 dB) can damage a homeowners hearing, which would lead to a liability problem.
     
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    Then you are full of it, the sound of an internal sire cannot by design travel that far outside of the interior of the home it is installed within.
     
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    No from a pistol .. I cant shoot it
     

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