'I would do it again 100 times'

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  1. protectionist

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    You didn't actually name who you were referring to, but since my name is in the quote, I'll take the liberty of guessing it is me. So therefore :

    1. You are now invited to show one shred of evidince that I am a "bigot".

    2. You may now show one shred of evidence that facts are not important to me.

    3. I first read the Koran on 1959, and most recently, 5 different translations of it. (Ali, Pickthall, Shakir, Arberry, & Dawood). I've read plenty of Hadith also.

    4. If you would like to see some facts about Islam and Islamization I would be glad to educate you about them, but first I should decipher what your knowledge is now, so here is your Islamization Quiz. Don't feel bad if you don't do too well on it. The highest grade the previous Islamapologists have gotten was 5% (most got zero). And no fake answers - I know who these people and things are. Every one of them.

    Names associated with Stealth Jihad (AKA Islamization)

    Ibin Taamiyah, the Madhi, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Sami al-Arian, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Mazen al-Najjar, Richard A. Clarke, Imam Muzzamil Siddiqui, Susan Douglas, Peter DiGangi, William Bennetta, Gilbert Sewall , Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, al-Hajj Talib'Abur, Rashid Sahmsi Ali, Khalid Latif, Omar Mohammedi, Joe Kaufman, Chantal Carnes, Hasan al-Banna (creator of the Muslim Brotherhood-I'll give you that one), Tariq Ramadan, Siraj Wahhaj, Mozen Mokhtar, Nouman Ali Khan, Abdul Malik , Imam Jamal Badawi, Br. Jawad Ahmad, Hassan Abbas, Mullah Abdul Rashid Ghazi, Sheik Mjed 'Abd al-Rahman al-Firian, Prince Sultan Ibn Abd al-'Aziz, Ali al-Ahmed, Itamar Marcus, Barbara Cook, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, Mohammed Osman Idris, Mohammed el-Yacoubi, Abu Abdullah, Baitullah Mehsud, Yunis al-Astal, Zeyno Baran, Aaron Klein, Muhammad Abdel-El, Sheik Yasser Hamad, Nur Mohammad, Ahmed Yassin (deceased), Sheik Abdel Rahman, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid AL Maktoum, Abdullah Azzam, Fazlur Rehman Khalil , Mohammad Elachmi Hamdi, Bat Ye'or, Max Steenberghe, Anders Fogh Ramussen, Paul Jeeves, Yusuf al-Qarodawi, Bashar al-Assad, Robert S. Leiken, Theo Van Gogh, Michel Gurfinkel, Imam Ahmed Salam, Piet Hein Donner, Miguel Angel Toma , Salah Yassin, Hassan Nasrallah, Ahmed Assad Barakat, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Bashar al-Assad, Adolpho Aguilar Zinser, Joseph Farah, Nabil al-Marabh, Raed Hijazi, David Harris, Syed Mumtaz Ali, Omar Ahmad, Ibrahim Hooper, Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, Dr. Paul Williams , Hassan al Turabi, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, Kevin James, Warner MacKenzie, Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, Abdullah Yusef Ali, Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, Nessim Joseph Dawood, Mohammed Habib Shakir, Arthur John Arberry, Aqsa Parvez, Atefeh Rajabi, Francis Bok, Michael Coren, Homaidan Ali Al-Turki, Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, Paul Marshall, Koenraad Elst, Tom Clancy, Phil Alden Robinson, Michael Graham, Thomas Klocek, Stephen Coughlin, Hasham Islam, Steven Emerson, Mordechai Nisan, Abduraman Alamoudi, Ramadan Abdallah Shallah, Musa Abu Marzook, Keith Ellison, Abdullah al-Arian, ,Jamal-al-Din al-Afghani, James Woolsey, Walid Phares, Guy Rodgers, Brigitte Gabriel, Robert Spencer, Paul Sperry, P.David Gaubatz, Chris Gaubatz, Stefanie Creswell, Charety Zhe, Adnan el-Shukrijumah, Jaffar the Pilot, Mohammad Weiss Rasool, Brian P. Fairchild, Peter M. Leitner, Sergeant Naveed I. Butt, Bill Bratton, Jamal Barzinji, Ingrid Mattson, Safaa Zarzour, Khalid Iqbal, James "Yousef" Yee, Ahmed Alwani, Taja Alwani, Warith Deen Umar, Tom Harrington, John Guandolo, Patrick Sookhdeo, Gaddoor Saidi, Muhammad Usmani, Mahdi Bray, Ali al-Timimi, Maulana Abdul Ala Maududi, Sayyid Quth, Zaid Shakir, Hamdan al-Shalawi, Muhammed al-Qudhaieen, Omar Shain, Hani Hanjour, Kenneth Williams, Edward Sloan, Ismail Elbarasse, Sheik Omar Abdul-Rahman, George Sadler, Mohammed Akram Adlouni, Zeid al-Noman, Shukri Aby Baker, Mohammad El-Mezain, Ghassan Elashi, Sayyid Syeed, Bassem Osman, Ahmed Elkadi, Mahboob Khan, Suhail Khan, Mufid Abdulgader, Abdelhaleem Ashqar, Frank Gaffney, Sue Myrick, Abuhena Saifulislam, Ali "the American" Mohamed, Juan Zarate, Hisham Altalib, Mohammed Shamma, Ahmad Sakr, Abdullah bin Laden, Mohamed Jamal Khalifah, Ahmad Mohamed Ali, Joey Musmar, Lina Morales

    Things associated with Stealth Jihad (AKA Islamization)

    Hijra, jizyah, Istanbul, Al-Quds, Al-Aqsa mosque, , treaty of Al-Hudaybiyah, Oslo Accords, the Mahdi, Al-Ansar, 2006 Pentagon report : "Motivations of Muslim Suicide Bombers" ), "The Project", the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan, Taqiyya, Da'wa, Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Holy Land Foundation trials - 2007 & 2008, Khalil Gibran Academy, US Treasury Dept. (Office of Foreign Asset Control), Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), Muslim American Society (MSA), United States Counterinsurgency Manual FM 3-24, US Justice Dept. report - 2004, US Justice Dept. report - 2007, abeds, North American Islamic Trust, Islamic Council for North America, United Association for Studies and Research, Muslim American Youth Association, the Hamas Charter, Islamic Academy of Florida, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, American Youth Academy, New Horizons Schools, Islamic American University, DawaNet-to link • to serve: Home with sections entitled "How to Make America an Islamic Nation" and Da'wa in Public Schools, Excelsior Elementary School, Thomas Moore Law Center, Islamic Saudi Academy, "The Islam Project" by the Council on Islamic Education, the Arab World History Notebook, "Across the Centuries", California Academy of Sciences, "World Cultures : A Global Mosaic", American Textbook Council, "Islam and the Textbooks", Arab American Family Support Center (AAFSC), Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood's Boy Scout program (MIB), Americans Against Hate, CAIR Watch, the Young Muslims, Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Jamaat-e-Islami, Young Muslim Sisters (YMS), Middle East Media Research Institute, US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), Freedom House, Institute for Gulf Affairs, Palestinian Media Watch, "Contemporary Problems", "History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century", Reading and Text Part II, Association of Independent Schools, ISA accreditation, Center for Religious Freedom, Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami, Islamic Party of Liberation, Al-Aksa TV of Hamas, Hudson institute, Popular Resistance Committee, "Schmoozing With Terrorists", US House of Representitives, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, "Eurabia, the Euro-Arab Axis", European Union, the Arab League,"Foreign Affairs" - "Europe's Angry Muslims", Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), Sharee Council of Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, Immigration and National Security Program at the Nixon Center, Sukuk, Sharia compliant banks, Saxony-Anhalt, piggy banks in England, foot washing basins (Kansas City Airport & University of Michigan), "Britain's Daily Mail" - "Multiculturalsim Drives Young Muslims to Shun British Values", Nationa Intelligence Council, www.islamonline.net, "Valeurs Actuelles", the triple border region, UN Security Council, House Homeland Security Committee subcommittee on investigations report : "A Line In the Sand: Confronting the Threat At the Southwest Border", OTMs, Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Muslims of the Americas, the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service, "TD Monthly", halal chicken, ACLU, the Date Frappuccino, Open Society Foundation, Whiting Foundation, hijab, Transportation & Safety Admin. (TSA), "New Media Journal" report - "In the Belly of the Beast: Jamaat ul-Fuqra, Jamaat ul-Fuqra mosque (Brooklyn, NY), Koran: 4:34, honor killings, the Alec file, Jamiyyat Ul-Islam, It's the Ideology Stupid,Tad-ru-bu-hu-nna, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, UN Children's Fund, the Population Council - 2003 survey, m'uta, Haratines, Janjaweed, Dinka tribe, "Escape From Slavery", Toronto Sun online - "Slavery Lives in the Sudan", Middle East Forum - "The Problem with Slavery", Saudi Arabia Senior Council of Clerics, Human Rights Watch, Middle East Forum, Copts, Baha'i sect of Islam, "Islam : From Toleration to Terror", Hizb ut-Tahrir, Jyllands-Posten, "The Sum of All Fears", University of South Florida, Palistinian Islamic Jihad, "Future Jihad", Mosque Census Project, Eid al-Adha, Shahada, Mahram, FBI's Arab/Muslim Sikh American Advisory Committee, Higgins Center for Counterterrorism Research, Jamaat e-Islami, Samah, Tarbiya, Dar al-Arqam, SWICK, Policy-net
     
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    Who said anything about what God wishes ? The Koran was written by Mo the Pedophile, not God, and because he was such a useless piece of crap, that's why his book of hate (masquerading as a religion) is full of all the vile stuff he indulged in > genocidal mass murder (Koran 8:12, 9:5, et al), wife beating (Koran 4:34), Pedophilia (Koran 65:4), animal cruelty/killing (Eid al Adha - Koran 2:125, 22: 27-28), slavery (Koran 22:5, 33:50), kidnapping/rape (Koran 2:223, 4:24, 4:34), torture/mutilation (all over the (*)(*)(*)(*) book).

    PS - you may note that all these deranged Koran policies are ILLEGAL in the USA. Whoever does them here, will go to JAIL.
     
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    You want proof that you are a bigot?

    No problem.

    http://www.islam101.com/dawah/pillars.html

    Most people can separate Islam and its moderate interpretations from those of the extremists. What you do is no different that pasting the warning about the ideology of the IRA and painting that as if it were the norm for all of Catholicism.

    And here is the real boot, I know there are moderate Muslims out there. I know because our government dropped me right in the middle of them and told me to partner with them. And I did.

    And guess who we chased down together? The extremists.

    Guess what happened in village after village we went into together? The people, Muslims, were only too happy to be ride of the extremists.

    In comparison, a guy chasing around a Muslim on the forum to tell him he is a wanton murder, when cleary he has killed no one? Yep, that is simple bigotry.

    There are plenty of books, plenty of mosques right here in America that you simply do not pay any heed to. You have no one to blame but you.
     
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    I don't know who Mo the Pedophile is, but the Prophet Muhammad PBUH couldn't read or right, so it is very unlikely he wrote the Quran. The Quran was given to him, by الله SWT through the angle Jibreel (Gabriel). Ironic how somebody who doesn't even know Muhammad PBUH didn't write the Quran is trying to dissect it...

    Surah 8:12 [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip." -- I clearly directed not to Muslims, but to angels.

    Surah 9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. -- when taken into context with 9:4 and 9:6 and 9:7 and 9:8... Well, better to just show you...

    Surah 9:4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
    Surah 9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
    Surah 9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
    Surah 9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
    Surah 9:8 How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient.

    Surah 4:34 Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand. -- As a last resor, lightly hitting your wife for disobeying الله SWT is permitted. However, in 4:35...
    Surah 4:35 And if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things]. -- So if there are problems between a man and wife it is recommended to seperate.

    Surah 65:4 And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease. -- Pedopholia is a sin and I have yet to see anything yet. The verse is talking about divorcing wife's. Yes, there was child marriages back then. Throughout then world.

    Surah 2:125 And [mention] when We made the House a place of return for the people and [a place of] security. And take, [O believers], from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer. And We charged Abraham and Ishmael, [saying], "Purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who are staying [there] for worship and those who bow and prostrate [in prayer]." -- Where's the advocation for animal killing?

    Surah 22:27 And proclaim to the people the Hajj [pilgrimage]; they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every distant pass -
    Surah 22:28 That they may witness benefits for themselves and mention the name of Allah on known days over what He has provided for them of [sacrificial] animals. So eat of them and feed the miserable and poor. -- Wheres the animal abuse?

    Surah 22:5 O People, if you should be in doubt about the Resurrection, then [consider that] indeed, We created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot, and then from a lump of flesh, formed and unformed - that We may show you. And We settle in the wombs whom We will for a specified term, then We bring you out as a child, and then [We develop you] that you may reach your [time of] maturity. And among you is he who is taken in [early] death, and among you is he who is returned to the most decrepit [old] age so that he knows, after [once having] knowledge, nothing. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down upon it rain, it quivers and swells and grows [something] of every beautiful kind. -- where is slavery even mentioned ?

    Surah 33:50 O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

    Surah 2:223 Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers. -- Rape is considered sin, not righteousness.

    Surah 4:24 And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise. -- In Islam, a marriage can only be complete with the consent of BOTH the man and woman, even of one of them are slaves. So... There's nothing wrong with this verse.

    Surah 4:34 (See above)

    Weak attempts at twisting the Quran to try and prove a point.

    الله اكبر

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    BTW - I am STILL waiting you to acknowledge much less address the context and reality of ancient warfare.

    If you win a battle, the men of your enemy are dead. Their women and children remain behind in a stark and unforgiving land, bereft of protection. Slavery? Starvation? Murder? All await if you just walk away.

    So what do you do with the remainder of the women and children?

    Wait 4,000 years and accuse people of being commanded to to rape random people?

    Well, I wonder why they did not think of that? Silly Jews.
     
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    No, no, no. You're doing it all wrong.

    Expecting people like this to consider context is like expecting an atheist to admit God exists. Not gonna happen unless you point it out to them.

    See my post above ;)

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    "Context" is just another one of your phony Islamist defense tactics along with your hot-to-trot "interpretation" (oh yeah right), and your laughable invalidation (even on books you've never read). You proved how disingenuous you were with your "context" defense, when I mentioned Koran 4:34, which includes wife beating. You said it doesn't mean that. LIE ! Of course it means exactly that and your ridiculous attempt to hide it behind the ludicrous "Context" defense showed how empty that lame idea is. 4:34 has no context around it (nor does 4:33 or 4:35) that, in any way, nullifies the Koran's advocacy (if not command) for Muslim husbands to bet their wives.
    In the looney Islamic world, this is considered normal. In America, take notice Muslim husbands, you WILL go to jail for it, and your wives might even shoot and perhaps kill you, and they will be OK legally with that. You might want to realize that based on America's early frontier culture which still permeates, many Americans (including women) carry, and are very familiar with guns. If you're not able to handle all this American culture, you better stay the hell out of America.
     
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    Okay, I know the American education system isn't the best, and your specific group of Americans aren't the brightest of the bunch, but I'd expect you know how to read...

    How can you read a book without considering context? You say is some defense thing? No. It's how one reads....

    I guess you can't read hey? I said it does say that, as a last resort and only lightly. I said it doesn't say to do it if your wife disobeys you, because she doesn't have to obey you to begin with.

    Do ever watch the show Cops? When there is domestic disputes, how many times is there a Muslim family? Now I know your response already will probably have something to do with censorship... But it happens in the Christian community.

    The pathetic (yes pathetic) part is you mention domestic violence not to bring awareness to the women who are victims of these crimes but rather to try and smear Islam. Wow.

    :heart: سلام
     
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    22:28 - HA HA HA. This actually gets a bit funny at times. Where's the animal abuse ? Uh, right in front of your eyes in what you wrote in your post. Here it is again > "..[sacrificial] animals. So eat of them.." Sacrificial. So just creating food isn't the idea. It's a ritual thing, which goes back to when people lived with goats and sheep and the animals were their buddies (like we have dogs and cats now). And killing those animals, for those people really was a sacrifice. They lost something of great value to them. But Muslims today don't do it like that. My ex-neighbors don't have the animals they
    kill on Eid al-Adha as pets. They don't have them for years with a lot of affection built up. They just go out and buy a bunch of goats and sheep and then go out and kill them by cruelly clubbing them to death or slitting their throats. Then they let the animals lay out in the field where they have been consumed by vultures and cats.
    I told them that if I catch them doing it, I'll video tape them, and turn the tape over to the police for prosecution. In Florida, they could get 5 years in a state prison (3rd degree felony). Now, they kill the animals inside a large shed next to their house.

    You are really pissing me off now. I just wrote a long, long response to your long, long idiotic attempt to defend your indefensible suras, and because the posting had too many words, the forum wouldn't allow it. In trying to get it into different postings, I lost almost all of it, and the only sura response that got submitted was 22:28.

    Well, now I'm going to take a little rest and have some breakfast, but don't feel like you gained anything. When I get back, I will redo all my responses to all your ludicrous sura "defenses".
     
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    Only reason you don't see too many Muslims in cops is because they (men & women both) abide by Koran 4:34, and consider the wife beating to be OK, so the poor, brainwashed wives never call the police or shoot their husbands as American women do. This makes my point all the more. Every time you open your mouth you confirm what I say. Again and again.

    As for Islam being smeared, there is only one thing that smears Islam, and that is Islam itself > the Koran
     
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    No, you pulled a bunch of analysis referrence extrem Islam, which no one denies exists, and that passed it off as the norm. Its called the biased sample fallacy.

    Worse, you call shuras rediculous? Well, you just confirmed you know absolutely nothing about the faith of Islam and how it functions.

    Like I said, simply bigotry.

    Nice too see you blowing your stack so easily, but then, most bigots do not like to be challenged - to have people question the validity of their anger. See it all the time.
     
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    [90.17] Then he is of those who believe and charge one another to show patience, and charge one another to show compassion.

    [3.57] And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not love the unjust.

    [4.36] And serve Allah and do not associate any thing with Him and be good to the parents and to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the neighbor of (your) kin and the alien neighbor, and the companion in a journey and the wayfarer and those whom your right hands possess; surely Allah does not love him who is proud, boastful;
    that one clearly being evil

    [60.8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

    [4.114] There is no good in most of their secret counsels except (in his) who enjoins charity or goodness or reconciliation between people; and whoever does this seeking Allah's pleasure, We will give him a mighty reward.

    1.[60.8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.
    funny, according to you, that is not in the Koran?

    Guess what is NOT in the Koran? Jihad.

    Go figure.
     
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    Sure you know who Mo the Pedophile is. He's the illiterate turd who you call a prophet, who DID author the Koran by speaking it to those who could write it into a book. He's the genocidal mass murdering, robber, kidnapper/enslaving, sex pervert pedophile, wife-beating, animal killer who you ludicrously revere, who started the worst abomination in human history resulting in the killings of 270 million innocent people around the world, which is why normal people in the West regard you and all the rest of you conjobbed fools as the uncivilized, barbaric savages that you are. There. Hope that clears it up for you.

    As for your LIES about the Suras.

    8:12 is clearly directed toward Muslims.

    9:5 - HA HA HA. You're still trying to get away with the "Context' defense, after the drubbing I've already given it. Well, I guess you really don't have anything else to say do you ? Well, looking at the suras around 9:5, one thing appears consistent among them. That as long as the polytheists were willing to become Muslims, they would be spared. But if they persisted in their own ways (which by Islamic definition) is a resistance to Islam, then everything in the murderous
    9:5 still applies. This is always the way with Muslims. There is one set of treatment for Muslims. Another (very harsh) for non-Muslims. Just like the Koran, that hasn't changed in 1400 years.

    4:34 - YOU said "lightly". the Koran doesn't say lightly, and even if it did, that still is immoral (and illegal in America). And 4:35 simplyadds another idea into the mixture, but it doesn't cancel away 4:34.
    4:34 and the words "strike them" or "beat them" (in most translations) or "scourge them" still remains 100% intact. Nothing's changed, and this is why Muslim husbands think it's OK to beat their wives. Because their loon book says so.

    65:4 - "The Qur'an in verse 33:49 states that no 'Iddah is prescribed for a woman who has not had intimate contact with her husband, but goes on to stipulate the 'Iddah for pre-pubescent girls in verse 65:4, meaning: the holiest text of Islam supports marrying and having sex with prepubescent girls. This is definitive proof that the Qur'an endorses pedophilia, the most abominable of all sexual crimes. (Wikipedia) http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur'an
     
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    22:5 - I'll pass on this for now, but I'm surely not going to give you or Islam a pass on :

    33:50 - Twice in this sura, it is mentioned a human being "possesses" another human being. When one possesses another, that's called slavery. Illegal in America since 1863.

    2:223 - Oh so you think rape is a sin, do you ? Well, the western definition of rape (as stated in this sura > "come to your place of cultivation however you wish") IS considered a sin and a crime. But the Koran is, in this sura, OKing it. So, as so often is the case, it is difficult to communicate with Muslims on matters like this because they have a totally different set of definitions. Having sex with a woman (any woman) whenever the man feels like it (which often may be when the woman says NO) is called RAPE in America, but in the Koran it's OK. So when a Muslim says rape is a sin, he's not talking about what we westerners are talking about. Because like the Muslim guy in the New Jersey rape trial, Muslim men (following sura 2:223), will simply TAKE sex from women "however they wish" (which includes whenever they wish).

    4:24 - You just said : "even of one of them are slaves. So... There's nothing wrong with this verse".
    The verse includes the abomination of slavery. You see "nothing wrong" ? Of course not. You're a Muslim following the Koran.

    And lastly, EARTH TO OJLEB : THE Koran doesn't need to be twisted. It's words are perfectly clear > genocidal murder, wife beating, pedophilia, animal cruelty/killing, slavery, rape.
     
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    You are begging to be challenged. No problem.

    1. What does this gobblegook of twisted words mean ? > "bunch of analysis referrence extrem Islam"


    2. You just conformed that you are willing to LIE and talk stupid in this forum in order to push your agenda. You obviously know that I know very well about Islam, as I have accurately laid out and described it's vile suras.

    3. Now you may cite one reason upon which to base an accusation of labeling me as a "bigot". (amazing in November 2011, they're still trying to hide behind the "bigot" card - LOL).
     
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    Yes I figure. I figure the same thing that billions of people around the world figure. That of course jihad is in the Koran. It's in sura 8:12, 9:5, 3:28, 2:286, 9:73, 22:19-20, 48:29, 5:33, 47:4, 8:59-60, 98:6 just for starters. Jihad and hatred of non-Muslims is all throughout the pages of the Koran. And it's not only non-Muslims who figure it that way. Millions of Muslims do too - members of al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, al Shabaab, millions of non-organizational Muslims, and millions of members of the Muslim Brotherhood and their thousands of front groups. Not difficult to figure.

    PS - the sura 4:36 you cited here, is another example of the Koran's advocacy of slavery.
     

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