Idaho passes laws instituting death penalty for child rapists, outlawing AI-generated child pornogra

So now we are resorting to strawman and Petty insults.... Such is debating a progressive. Wave that white flag a bit more vigorously..

If you support abortion you should be careful about casting those stones. At least the people that I would advocate being removed from the Earth are guilty of some actual crime.

 

First, the death penalty has never been demonstrated to be a deterrent. So your premise is false from the beginning.

Second, your premise accepts that the state will execute innocent people, and tries to balance that with saving lives taken by criminals. I do not accept that the state should execute an innocent person. Ever. But you do you.

 

What did I get wrong about your position?
Do you believe life in prison is the equivalent of “letting someone go free”?

Or did I get it wrong and you think the state should never risk executing an innocent person?

You seem to advocating “removing people from Earth” even if there’s a chance that they are NOT guilty of a crime.

 

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...ction-between-pornography-and-sexual-violence

 

and I would put anyone that forces a child to give birth to their rapists baby without consent lwop too

 

Which is irrelevant since we're not talking out offenders who would currently received probation nor is anyone suggesting they should.

The change is specifically that a small number of specific offenders who currently receive a mandatory life sentence could instead be sentenced to death. It's almost as if you don't actually have any solid argument in favour of this specific change in the law.

 

So this is a new spin on the trolley dilemma. I for one don't believe in the whole 'if it saves a life!' I believe the quality of that life, is more important. Not all lives are the same. But I also believe strongly in being consistent. The whole 'who we are' crowd baa's like a sheep on being a democracy. Okay then, we can't do the whole 'culling' thing then.

As a result, I find myself arguing for the democracy to be consistent as a democracy and if it can't then all the more reason to change it.

 

Do you support abortion outside of absolute medical necessity?

 

This thread isn’t about abortion. It’s about the death penalty for committing crimes.

I’m trying to determine who accepts the risk of putting wrongly convicted people to death. You have already said you’re ok with that. I’m not.

 

I don't have a problem with a DP for the rape of children under 12 on moral grounds, particularly when the crime is "especially heinous, atrocious or cruel, manifesting exceptional depravity." My concern with it is not that the perpetrator doesn't deserve it. My concern is that it may serve as a greater motive to murder the child and dispose of the child's body to eliminate the forensic or testimonial evidence against him. And so it is for that reason only that I think I would prefer LWOP instead.

 

I've already made my argument in favor of such a sentence. I'll say it again: dead rapists are 100% guaranteed to never reoffend.

 

Absolutely.

 

Well … no death penalty crimes currently have that evidentiary requirement, so you must be opposed to the death penalty as it currently exists. Yes?

 

Which I countered (on the basis that, in practice, it would be little different to life imprisonment). You then moved on to the irrelevance of probation. You've stated your argument, you've not made it yet.

 

No

 

In that case, you think it’s acceptable to execute innocent people.

 

No

 

Well it’s one or the other. Either you think it’s ok to execute innocent people, or you don’t. In the latter case, you must be opposed to the death penalty.

Unless you think the American justice system is perfect and never convicts innocent people.

Those are really the only three options. Where do you stand? Please explain.

 

Just because there isn't a DNA evidence standard applied doesn't mean that everyone on death row is innocent.

Should a DNA standard be an evidentiary standard for the death penalty? Of course.

Do I oppose the death penalty because there is no DNA standard? I do not.

 

Yeah, I think LWOP is the ideal here and maybe in a sick twist of irony, use Epstein's island for it(similar to Guan.bay). Have a secluded prison exclusively for the pedos with no contact with the rest of the US. That would solve the problem easy peasy.

 

Do you accept that innocent people get convicted?

 

I do. But that's no excuse to go easy on convicted criminals.

 

And I'm trying to determine if you're okay with killing human beings that are all 100% innocent.

Anyone who is okay with abortion of convenience has absolutely zero room to protest the death penalty as they are okay with killing people who are 100% innocent all of the time.

I can see why you would not want to answer the question.

 

That’s why I say just put them in gen pop. Inmates can do it, free to the taxpayer and the blood is on their hands. Plus if they know they’ll be sentenced to death, now they’ve got a huge incentive to kill their victim also.

 

Always amazing that the people who think the entire justice system can easily be rigged against trump, also trust it to execute people