If we faulted in our debt it’s Biden’s fault and here’s why.

Well, not exactly, TAX bills must originate in the House.

Origination Clause - Wikipedia
'The Origination Clause, sometimes called the Revenue Clause, is Article I, Section 7, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution.The clause says that all bills for raising revenue must start in the U.S. House of Representatives, but the U.S. Senate may propose or concur with amendments, as in the case of other bills..'

I think the House should make it clear that if the Senate can pass a bill, that they will work to reconcile the bills.

AOC Heckled and Shouted Off Stage by NYC Voters: 'Put America First'

Even NY voters are pissed at Dems over this:

• 'Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (D-NY) was booed off stage during a New York City town hall by attendees who were frustrated by the Democrat's position on the looming debt ceiling issue, the border crisis, and the billions of dollars being funneled to Ukraine.
  
• she previously voted to send over $100 billion to Ukraine after suggesting she supported the idea of removing the debt ceiling. '

 

Yes, he did, the problem with the shutdowns was they only should have been done in areas that were overloading hospitals, Trump's guidelines for shutting down and reopening were flawed

 

As I said before, both parties are guilty of shutting down. But Trump was for opening in May 2020. I wrote that both parties were guilty of shutting down, but Democrats are unique in that when Republicans started reopening their economies, Democrats started doubling down. Furthermore, even if Trump agreed with Democrats on shutdowns throughout 2020, which he wasn't, Trump is not all Republicans. There are other Republicans, like DeSantis, who fought against the shutdown policy. Also, Republicans, including Trump, did not agree with criticizing the protests against shutdown, but the encouragement of the BLM protests and rioting. They did not agree with the over 1000 so-called experts who carved out an exception to shutdown policies for BLM protests (riots). Because, you know, the Wuhan virus didn't affect BLM, apparently; but it did affect the lockdown protesters. I notice that you did not respond to those parts of my posts. But, then again, it's easier to decontextualize my posts to fight a strawman, so I get it.

 

Which is why the people who we elected to control the purse has already written a bill that pays that. The democrats are blocking it.

 

show me were Trump issued new opening guidelines, many States would still not be open if they followed Trump's guidelines for reopening

sure, we can blame the States for listening to Trump and following his guidelines, but it was still the Trump guidelines they were following

3 phases of the Trump reopen guidelines

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/openingamerica/

you can download Trump's guidelines here

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.go...ening-Up-America-Again.pdf?mod=article_inline

a big part of our debt is because Trump mishandled Covid

 

nope, they are holding America hostage to get what they want, the place to make changes is with new bipartisan bills, reasonable spending cuts along with reasonable tax increases for the rich

and increase the Social Security tax cap while we are at it

at least a 1\3 of our debt is from two 20+ year wars....

 

It's not much of an argument to make a blanket statement about how Trump mishandled COVID-19 without going into specifics and just posting links. How about you read through all of the related pages in those links and then present to me specifics. And then, on top of that, explain how somehow this indicates that Trump never said that we should start opening up in May 2020. Your form of argumentation is boring me.

 

playing it down, then declaring 15 going on zero, then declaring a national emergency, then playing it down, then saying we are at war with an invisible enemy and we all have to do are part, then playing it down, then creating a task force for this dangerous virus, then playing it down, then telling the country to shut down, then offering crazy cures, etc.... etc....

and when he 'accidentally' threatened to shut down ports from countries with Covid.... that caused the whole world to panic

you can't blame the libs without blaming the leader at the time of our country

seems you want to blame those you don't like, but when it's mentioned Trump lead all this, it's well, any president would have done that

Trump should have let Pence handle it, but he could not stand Pence getting all the attention, that was Trump's biggest mistake

once trump shutdown the economy, it was hard to reopen

 

Are you not capable of knowing which party controlled the WH and Congress in 2018 and 2019 budgets?


If you think your point was proven, trump is definitely the candidate for you.

 

The only two years that you showed that republicans controlled the purse (controlled the house) was 2016 and 2017. So yes I’m capable but you obviously are not!

 

Apparently Trump is the candidate for those who know their facts…. Interesting

 

I love how some of the Leftists here pretend that they occupy the majority position, when On Debt Ceiling, It's Biden vs. the Voters

Illegitimate Joe Biden, who was installed by a cabal of FBI and Intelligency Agency Hacks who rigged the 2020 election, 'is desperately maneuvering to avoid any serious spending restraints in debt-limit talks, but voters clearly don’t want the ceiling raised without cuts.'

'A new CNN poll (yes, left-leaning CNN) shows 60% of Americans oppose raising the debt ceiling unless federal spending is reduced.'

'That includes 58% of independents and even 45% of Democrats.'

'Only 24% — less than a quarter — think Congress should lift the ceiling “no matter what,” as Biden & Co. have demanded.'

And the extremist view of Installed Rigged Illegitimate Joe is the view of seemingly every Lefty posting here.

'Americans know it’s spending that drives up debt. And that spending is out of control — now at its highest, as a share of the economy, since World War II.'

It's also what drives the Inflation that is raising our prices and reducing our real wages.

A worker, supporting the Dem position, is like the guard dogs allowing a fox into the henhouse because he claims he now identifies as a chicken.



Biden and Dems want to make the COVID emergency levels of spending, which was inflated by TRILLIONS, the new baseline.

All that spending has resulted in 'more debt, runaway inflation and Federal Reserve interest-rate hikes that are wreaking havoc on the economy.'

'Voters understand the whole point of a debt “ceiling” is to force a discussion on spending.'

'Speaker Kevin McCarthy has signaled that he’ll make some concessions, but next year’s outlays must still be below at least this year’s $6.2 trillion spendapalooza.'

'even if the government runs short, it can still avoid “default” by prioritizing debt payments over other expenses, such as for national parks, green subsidies and nonessential government employees who can be furloughed.'

'None of it’s ideal, but it would avoid “default” — and hardly spark an economic apocalypse.'

'And, again, talks could be a lot further along now if Biden hadn’t refused to negotiate with McCarthy at all for over 14 weeks.'

'Democrats could’ve moved to pass a no-strings ceiling-lifter last year, while they still controlled Congress: They knew the issue was coming.'

 

Congress has increased or suspended the debt limit unconditionally 78 times since 1960 under both Republican and Democratic administrations, three times under Trump. Without experiencing a war or a recession. Republicans thus allowed the Republican administration of Donald Trump to add $7.8 trillion to the National Debt.

Today Republicans are holding Americans hostage by demanding a ransom of budgetary matters, meaning future spending, be tied to their approval to raise the debt so that the treasury can pay past obligations such as Social Security, Medicare, and veteran's benefits.

The last is particularly demeaning. Veterans fought for our country. Today Republicans are holding them hostage. This is their idea of leadership.

Budgetary matters have absolutely nothing to do with raising the debt limit so America can remain solvent.

For the past several weeks, who has been doing all the talking? Answer, the Republicans. It is a sure sign they know they are wrong, and they are on the defensive.

Who is not talking? the forum's Republicans. They, too, know their party is wrong, and they prefer not talking about it.

 

Yeah, I'm too bored to continue with this. Sorry. Argue better.

 

I’ve talked about it plenty. And I don’t know where you get info, likely the same place @dairyair gets hers but that’s a pile load of BS. The house is exercising their duties they were elected to do. The conservatives on this forum have even provided polls that say you are in the minority on not wanting cuts. Presidents need checks and I’m glad the republicans are doing just that.

 

Yeah, facts do that to people trying to blame Dems for Trump's shutdown.... have a good one... see ya.

 

The 115th United States Congress was a meeting of the legislative branch of the United States of America federal government, composed of the Senate and the House of Representatives. It met in Washington, D.C., from January 3, 2017, to January 3, 2019, during the final weeks of Barack Obama's presidency and the first two years of Donald Trump's presidency. The seats in the House were apportioned based on the 2010 United States census.[1]

The Republican Party retained their majority in both the House and the Senate, and, with inauguration of Donald Trump on January 20, 2017, attained an overall federal government trifecta for the first time since the 109th Congress in 2005.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/115th_United_States_Congress

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Why do people post falsely when data is readily available at ones fingertips?

The R party had the WH, House, and Senate for the years of 2017-Jan 2019.

Where they increased the debt and deficits per GDP more than any other peacetime years or Recession years.

You're arguing from a point of not being informed. Even when presented with the data/facts

Or you're being intentionally dishonest.

 

The best way to get some to stop posting their nonsense is to give them facts.
They will throw out an ad hom attack and leave.

 

Looks like it's not going to matter.
There will be bipartisan support to raise the debt ceiling. Common sense has won.

 

It's not. It was a joke. But you missed it.

 

It wasn’t a joke, it was a smug remark that wasn’t missed at all. But nice backtrack

 

We get our data from reliable sources that actually have data and facts.

Have you ever seen such sources? I know you have, we present them.
So I guess the real question is, can you understand data and facts?

 

It was a joke and you missed it.

 

Like where you thought republicans had total control over the 2018-2019 budgets? Sure….

 

They did. How do you not know this?
The R's were seated, as proven by my link. Jan of 2017. So they made the 2018 budget, trump signed.
No national election in 2017, so the same gov't was in control in 2018. So they made the 2019 budget.

It wasn't until the 2018 election, seated in Jan 2019, that dems got the house.

This is basic common knowledge.