IL: Karen Calls Cops on Men for Shoveling Snow While Black

I guess I am out of the loop, on all these newer, insulting terms. But, are you saying that a black woman (or man, for that matter) could not be referred to, as a "Karen?" Somehow, I feel this word has more to do with actual behavior, and little to do with race. What you really seem, to me, to be saying, is that white women were the original inspiration for the term-- which is not the same as a racial stereotype, because those typically apply to ALL MEMBERS of that race, not just ones that act in a particular way.

I appreciate your woke argument, of trying to trace any term, critical of any particular type of people, back to its origin; but so far, I have only seen you bring this objection, in cases in which the term's root, is among white people-- are you somehow not aware that there are many terms that either originated, or became associated, with slurs against minorities? Do you never use the word, "thug," for instance? Or, do you feel that if a black person is acting like a thug, it is accurate and not racist, to call him (or her) that? If it is the latter, how does this differ from "Karen," which I have even seen applied to men? Speaking of which, do you have the same feelings about gender stereotypical words? Will I see you chastizing anyone who uses the phrase "little b****?"

What I am suggesting, is actually an argument I have heard from the Right, that PC language can be taken too far. It seems more reasonable, to focus on the most racist and sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic words first, before worrying about the "Karens" of the world-- which seems like something that would be called cancel culture censorship, if it weren't associated with the racial majority.

 

You are reading entirely too much into a simple statement. I simply said that the word Karen is stereotyping white women.

There's no need for you to try to over analyze everything to death.

 

Tell me, Purple (or may I call you Apex?), have you always been such a supporter of "woke" objections to critical language or, until now, have you been calling the exact argument that you make, above, "cancel culture," or censorship of free speech?


Secondly, is your new, woke perspective, going to apply to all groups-- such as women, and gay/bi/trans/queer-- or do you only feel this way, when the stereotype is strictly about a racial group?


Thirdly, can you explain these recent comments of yours?

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They teach ugly girls how to become even more unfuckable. Bahahahahahah I had to.

Your idea, of gender sensitivity?

And you don't see anything wrong with referring to the Palestinian people, as a "pack of savages?" Yet, God forbid, refer to a white woman as "Karen?"


There had been a quote of yours from yesterday (in the thread about Dilbert comic strip creator Scott Adams' comments about blacks), which I'd looked for, but which has obviously been deleted (along with my reply to it-- though I received no alert about it) in which you characterized blacks as too dumb to find the DMV, and called those progressives who defend them, stupid tools, used by their hateful white progressive machine. How are white progressives not entitled to the same proscriptions against derogatory, stereotypical "racism," as are Karens?



They always say, "end with a joke:"

 

but where are you putting the snow... on private property... sometimes neighbors can be dicks

 

A sidewalk is technically not her property either. Sidewalks are generally public.

 

What trespassing? Being on a sidewalk isn't trespassing. Speaking of pathetic.

 

Nope. Because I'm not trying to make anyone stop saying Karen and I'm not trying to punish anyone for saying Karen. I am however mocking people who are obsessed with speech policing for actually doing what they usually erroneously insist others are doing.

Objectivity applies objectively.

You'll have to give me your definition of gender sensitivity first.

I'm not taking readings from my moral compass here so no I don't see anything 'wrong' with calling terrorists savages, and I don't see anything wrong with the use of Karen either for that matter. But fact remains Karen is used as a racist term and that's my only point here.

Ah uh, no, I did nothing of the sort. I remarked that it was progs who hold that position because they've literally used that reasoning to attack voter ID laws.

 

You may have a point if the term Karen came exclusively from a non white group to target white, middle age, demanding woman with a certain haircuts but I don't think that is the case. I don't think anyone knows for sure how it started but its popularity came from young people working in the service industry having to deal with demanding woman wanting to speak to their manager because they were unsatisfied with their service. The term has long evolve to essentially encompass everyone that is overly demanding and annoying including men, (even though some people use Kevin for men), young people and people of all races. You can have Asian Karens, black Karens, Hispanic Karens, etc...

 

Do you know the definition of trespassing? Seems you don't.

Pathetic!

 

I've noticed this and, to me, it just further enhances the hypocrisy considering its the young woke mob who's most responsible for propagating this racism-rooted phrase. The same young woke mob that endlessly crusades to change the names of schools, sports teams, streets, food stuffs, and anything else they deem to be racism-rooted. They're immune to introspection.

 

Maybe it's a matter of variety.

The constant examples of black men being shot in the back or choked to death by cops may be losing their impact.

Even having state governor what's-his-name ban black history sounds like normal everyday bigotry.

 

She sounds like an immigrant and apparently had a history with these people connected to their prior work on the neighbor's property. I cannot really tell who may be in the right or wrong here. I mean if she had previously told them to stay off her property maybe this could constitute trespassing even on a right of way if they were throwing snow up on landscaping. Maybe they were just trying to mend fences with a neighbor of a client and she mistook their goodwill gesture as aggression toward her. Who knows.

 

“Constant” only because we live in a nation of 320 million. You can find “constant” examples of anything in a population size that large. But it’s statistically an extremely rare occurrence.

Granted only about 13 percent of that is black. But even so that’s a massive population size with such a small number of unjust s police killings among it.

 

what if they were black women that were being nosy, uppity and entitled?

both races have their share, can both be mocked equally?

 

Maybe living in NYC for so many years made me cynical, but this was the first thing that came to my mind.

For those unfamiliar with the 'squeegee man' scam, it's when you are stopped in traffic, generally in Manhattan, and some homeless guy (generally) would come over to your car, whip out a bottle of water (or if you were really lucky, some sort of glass cleaner), spray your windshield down, squeegee it dry, and then demand money for 'services rendered'. On occasion, if the driver, who did not request the 'service' in the first place failed to pay up, they were known to get violent.

It's one of the things I think (memory is the first thing to go, or so I've heard) that Guliani put an end to in his successful efforts to clean up the City.

It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the headline. I know if I saw someone shoveling my sidewalk that I 'didn't get along with', I'd probably be worried about that myself. Well, since I'm in Florida now, and don't even have a sidewalk, if I saw someone shoveling my sidewalk that I didn't get along with, I should probably check myself into the funny farm.

Look, none of us knows this woman, someone else mentioned that she might have some mental health issues, or whatever the case may be, but this is yet another example of one tiny 'incident' (if it's even that) being blown out of proportion to the point that it becomes some kind of international incident further dividing the races in America, a relationship that is worse now than when I was born in 1969, when I'm told it wasn't so great.

Whatever, once we get used to realizing that in the 21st century, everyone is carrying around a TV-quality HD camera with them at all times, we'll maybe learn to ignore noise like this. Just look at the very existence of this thread, and the title thereof.

 

Then the same rule would apply. But it's not a black woman in the story so....

 

I've seen the term "karen" applied to black women also. Its not just a white woman thing. Though they are the majority of "karens".

What I find interesting however is that only Karens that are Karens towards black people seem to be the only ones ever mentioned by the media. I've seen plenty of Karens be Karens towards whites, blacks, hispanics...doesn't matter. Karens are Karens. Some may be racist. But generally, they're all just busybodies that think they know everything and believe that they are always in the right.

 

Ok, so I clicked on the link and it took me to the Root. I scrolled through the site and didn’t see any diversity at all, which, according to liberal experts, makes them 100% diverse.

As for the story, Karen is a racist term. If you disagree then you should be ok with the terms beaner, wetback, ************ and spear chucker. You guys on the left can’t have it both ways.

 

That’s the way it was every place I lived.

 

In most cases in the US, the sidewalk is not the private property of the adjacent property owner.

 

Not sure why these guys kept shoveling her sidewalk, even after she told them to stop. Without knowing the history between this European woman and these gents, it's not possible to know what's going on in her head. Without social media and video, this would have been a nothing burger story between a crazy old woman and two guys who seem to like pushing her buttons.

 

Basically refers to overly dramatic complaining suburban white women.

Now say, call someone yelling a screaming an angry black woman even though you stayed 3 facts, it can be construed as racist. She’s black, she angry and she’s a woman. Nothing is racist, but guaranteed people would consider that racist because sure, why not

 

Except for rare exceptions, sidewalks are not the private property of the adjacent property owner. Apart from these exceptions, it wouldn't eve be "her sidewalk." And they were shoveling the whole sidewalk. It's pathetic to pretend that they were somehow targeting her or violating her rights in any way. Yes, it's a nothing burger . . . served by the crazy old woman trying to take away the rights of these two men.

If seeing people exercising their rights pushes this woman's buttons, then that's her failing, not theirs.

 

I'll have to give you that your point, is well made. I would only point out that, depending on the extended context of what the speaker was saying, that characterization might, possibly, be meant in a racist way (perhaps even followed by overtly racist language). Further, even the assessment of "angry," could be an impression that seemed to others, not objectively manifest, so more of a subjective assumption, by the speaker.

These things should all be taken into consideration. But if it is inarguably clear, that a person is angry, and screaming (or yelling, which I consider essentially the same thing), is female and black, then someone calling that person an "angrily screaming, black woman," should not be considered to be saying anything racist-- though I will grant you, it sometimes may be interpreted that way, nonetheless.

Likewise, I would say, when someone is clearly being a "Karen"-- which I would assert, is predominantly predicated on the sense of entitlement or, as you say, "dramatic(ally) complaining," and does not even require that the person be a woman, or white, much less, be a suburbanite-- then it is kind of ridiculous to call that, using racist language. Nevertheless, I guess it is unavoidable, that some very sensitive types, still may.

 

I wonder if it's illegal to dump snow from your property onto the sidewalk?

That would mean the only person who broke the law here was the old lady.