I'm calling it right now...

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by Dr. Righteous, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. MnBillyBoy

    MnBillyBoy New Member

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    The 1st term as President counts of course..
    as a Failed experience.

    1. Did he work with both party's during legislation process ?
    NO in fact He passed the health care law using back room tactics..

    2. Did he use or count the minority opinion as just ..or just call it a Name?

    3. Did he use his position to help pass a budget in the 1st 2 years ?

    4. Did he lower the unemployment rate ?

    5. Did he increase the wealth of the middle or working class ?

    6. He cut off the head of the snake. Did he bring the troops home
    in victory ?

    7. Did he make America more energy independent ?

    8. Did he close Getmo..increase our nations security home and abroad ?

    9. Did he appoint special czars without congressional approval ?

    10. Did he increase or EASE regulations on companies making it easier for them to expand and hire ?

    11. The stock market is up 31% since day 1 of Obama.
    Why is he blaming Wall Street for doing what they do best ?
    and why isn't AMERICA GOING AFTER HIM FOR ALLOWING WS TO BE UP 31% ?
    ( or why is G.E. sitting next to the 1st lady ? )
    If a conservative was in charge..the dems would be all over the conservative President ..not Wall Street.
     
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    Roelath Well-Known Member

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    One of the only negatives concerning Jackson was his attitude towards the Native American people and his aggression towards them.
     
  3. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While the Trail of Tears was horrible for native Americans, no nation, not even yours, grow without such atrocities, and why since political correctness came about, they haven't grown since. He was the only president to pay of the debt, tell bank of America to go (*)(*)(*)(*) themselves, led the Battle of New Orleans that thrashed the British army using common American gangsters, and on top of it all, kicked the crap out of a would-be assassin as an old man with his cane. That, right now, is the exact president we need in America. Balls to the wall, nation first, no love for the top or status quo. A week after election we would marching through Mexico to make it ours, on our way to the Panama Canal to reclaim what WE built.
     
  4. Jash2o2

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    Ok, I'm back.

    http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7382-cnn-poll-ron-paul-stands-best-chance-against-obama

    It's a bit old, I know.

    I also know at one point, the Drudge Report had a headline regarding a cnn poll(not sure if the same one or not) and it read, "Ron Paul Has Best Chance vs. Obama in CNN Poll"

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/149114/obama-close-race-against-romney-perry-bachmann-paul.aspx

    8/22/2011 - It doesn't have Paul beating Romney or Perry in this one, but he is still quite a contender beating out Bachman.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002497-503544.html

    Really old, 4/14/2010, but still shows what kind of support Ron Paul is capable of.

    Rasmussen has a whole lot of polls, they are different everyday though.

    So this doesn't necessarily prove that Ron Paul has the best chance against Obama, he certainly does have a very strong chance against him.

    As for the rest of your comment. No. I am not religiously backing Ron Paul. Maybe you meant ideologically backing? Because that I can agree with. Ron Paul's ideology, not religion, is what drives him and his supporters. His ideology is backed not only by logic, but by years of medical, military, political, and life experience. And I am tired of people saying that his ideas are nothing more than dreams and he isn't living in reality. I will agree that his ideas are dreamlike. That dream is called the American Dream. Why is it that you think his ideas are unrealistic?

    A bit off topic: I would also like to share some links.

    http://stevedeace.com/news/iowa-politics/rick-perry-vs-rick-perry/

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0911/Perry_on_TARP_support_No_Maam.html (Same story, different source.)

    http://www.newsmax.com/DougWead/Conspiracy-Ron-Paul-Federal/2011/09/16/id/411246

    I really think that the GOP primary will be between Romney and Paul. Perry just keeps making his own grave deeper.
     
  5. Dan40

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    Bozo the Clown has a strong chance against the incompetent incumbent. Earthworms fried crispy on my driveway have a strong chance against the snake in DC. Paul is your guy, he's not mine. If he wins the Republican nomination, I'll vote for him without hesitation. But I DO NOT believe he is the best candidate or the best man for the job. Better than the idiot odrama, oh very yes. Just not my favorite, and I have yet to decide who my favorite will be.
     
  6. signcutter

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    How would voting for Perry be any different than Bankershill Obama? I can see how Huntsman or Romney would be slightly diffrent than Obama.. IF they arent blowing smoke anyway. If its a race between Perry and Obama.. I couldnt vote for either of them if there is a third option. I may not be able to stop the fire.. but I wont be complicite in starting it either
     
  7. Dan40

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    Asking that question tells me that there is no possible way you'd understand the answer.
     
  8. signcutter

    signcutter New Member

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    Yep I thought so... I have a feeling it starts and ends with Hell .. at least he aint Obama.. and anybody but Obama. You yourself stated
    You are past logical when you claim religious.. Logic and religious conviction cannot exist in the same plane.

    I think you cannot articulate the real differences between Obama and Perry if you look back on their political records... all you know is that Perry isnt Obama.. and thats good enough for you.
     
  9. Dan40

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    religious with a lower case r is a descriptive adjective. Religious with an upper case R denotes a Religious belief. Since I belong to no Religion or Church, you may now understand that I used a descriptive adjective.

    But if there is any question that I will vote for anyone running against odrama, be assured, there is no possible circumstance where I would vote for odrama. I did not, I will not.

    That Perry is NOT odrama is all the difference needed. To make it clear for you, if Palin was running against odrama, I would hate like hell to vote for her, but I would because she is NOT odrama.

    ANYONE is better suited for the job than this present incompetent buffoon.
     
  10. signcutter

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    Just like I thought.. you are beyond reason.. Palin lol... please.. a rabid spider monkey with a magic marker would be more qualified. Perry is a globalist shill, will sell his political power to the highest bidder.. how is he better than Obama?.. He is as different from Obama as Master card is from American Express.. different fee structure.. but same basic concept.

    You try to downplay your use of the word religious... I dont care about the fact that you didnt capitalize it.. using it as a descriptive adjective merely describes your abandoment of logic as your quite ready to hand the reins of power over to a a celebrity half-wit and a proven politically corrupt, Religious ideologue.

    Your part of the problem.
     
  11. Dan40

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    Barrack Hussein Obama is a failure. He is our employee. He has failed to do the job he was hired to do. Like all failed employees, he should be laid off. You do not keep a worthless employee on the payroll because you're AFRAID that the replacement might be even worse. The failure gets fired, period.

    Don't know why that is a difficult FACT to grasp.
     
  12. signcutter

    signcutter New Member

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    Yes.. and you knowingly replace him with the same caliber of employee.. or worse. How is that helping change anything for the better?

    You said yourself.. you would vote for Sarah Palin over Barack Obama.. simply to vote against Obama... you havent even considered that there may be a viable third option. This kind of thinking has got us to the point we are at today.

    Why is it so difficult for you to see this?
     
  13. Shangrila

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    I think you are correct, and Reps better start smelling the coffee.
     
  14. Dan40

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    odrama is a KNOWN, Proven, FAILURE. That you have an OPINION that the candidates available are no better IS an opinion, not a fact. odrama the failure IS a fact.
     
  15. signcutter

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    Perry is a failure... FACT.. he was handed an energy driven economy with a tax structure that was pulling in employers from across the U.S.. all he could with all the gifts he recieved was triple the Texas Debt. Gut education funding.. make texas into the highest % of minimum wage job growth.. Make texas the lowest % of health insured in the Nation. Forced vaccination at the behest of a contribution from Merk. Proposed healthcare plan with Mexico.. Champoins open borders for the cheap labor.. Wants to privatize major highways in texas and sell controll to foriegn entities.

    Yep this guy is the cure.
     
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    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    I definitely agree with you, neither one seems to be the type to shoot themselves in the foot, without his son,,,OR a win his career is over. Well, we know he cant win, so what's left?
    With his sons career he can be in politics forever, without him it's the white belt and Loafer crowed...
     
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    So you can read what the radical left wing lying press prints and hear what it vomits on TV. That makes you a drone, not an expert.
    I have nearly 2 decades as a CEO. I have hired and fired executives. I don't judge odrama by FOX or Rush. I have NEVER listened to a single Rush program, or a G Beck program either. I look at what odrama himself says and what odrama himself has done. He is a liar that skirts blame and a failure by his own hand.
    Would Perry, OR anyone else, be worse? We don't know. That is enough reason to replace odrama since we DO know how bad he is. And he is the worst president in the history of the nation.

    2012 END OF AN ERROR!
     
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    Perry may just be what Obama was for the left, a cry for change, ending up being more of the same old, if not worse.
    Once people actually look into Perry's record, what he has done, he might come out slightly better than Obama, if that.
    Look at the trust folks put in Bush, and what that lead to....aka BHO.
    Can we really afford more of the same old? Can we afford to vote against a candidate, no matter what?
     
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  20. Dr. Righteous

    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

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    I agree with your statement THEORETICALLY, but that's not how it is in real life. Government has way overstepped it's "serving", as outlined in the Consitution. We serve the government/banks.

    "If you don't agree with me, then shut up". Nice.

    Alot of people agree with alot of what Ron Paul says. Why did he win the straw poll at CPAC if his thoughts are outside of the mainstream? Why is he the most popular candidate among the military? Why is he in 3rd place behind Romney and Perry in all of the MSM's polls? You're clearly just making stuff up. The internet and spread of useful information outside of the MSM is waking people up to the truth.

    Your neo-con ideology is dying a slow and painful death. Pretty soon all of the neo-cons, who are mostly older, will die off and we will be left with libertarians (Real Conservatives) and Liberals as the two mainstream methods of thinking.

    I side with the Constitution. There is absolutely nothing radical about that. I don't think I'm smarter than the mainstream, I think I'm more EDUCATED than the mainstream. HUGE difference.
     
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    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

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    If RP accepted position as chairman of the Fed, I would lose all hope in humanity
     
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    What about libertarian statists?
     
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    RP doesn't get very many corporate donors, because corporations do not like his free market politics. They want big government giving them handouts. So hopefully he'd be able to with the help of his base.
     
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    Dr. Righteous Well-Known Member

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    Your logic is backwards and your facts couldn't be more off base. First of all, I didn't "help" put Obama in office, I voted AGAINST Obama. You're basically suggesting that I should have voted for McCain because he had more of a chance of winning than Paul. But, anybody who isn't a complete dumbass knew that Obama was going to win. So let me ask you - why did you vote for McCain if he wasn't going to win?

    Second of all, Paul didn't endorse McCain, he told his supporters to vote for Barr. I refused to do that. And by saying "you refused to do what your leader told you"...what does that even mean? You're implying that I blindly follow whatever RP says no matter what. That's a mistaken assumption.

    You act like there would have been a huge difference between a McCain presidency and an Obama presidency. The national debt would be exactly where it is today, the economy would still be in shambles, we would doubtlessly be involved in the same wars we are in now, and McCain supports world government. I hardly think that there is any difference between the two, because the path to America's demise will be reached no matter which one of them took office.

    It has nothing to do with idealism either. It has to do with realistic solutions to our problems. The Republicans and Dems are playing russian roulette with the dollar, and we are headed towards dark times. wE can't afford to play games anymore.
     
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    yeah he PEACED nicholas biddle and almost paid dearly for it, but Americans were too smart to be fooled by that banker f*ck
     

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