Imagine a world without white people and Asian people - it's scary

Sure; why not? I'll drink to that . . .

 

Damn you OP. Now I have John Lennon- Imagine stuck in my head.

 

yay for moot and meaningless points!

 

Very true in the long term, big picture, and if entire races - most or least advanced - disappeared, the world would still advance and recover. In the short term (I don't mean 24 months, I mean roughly a century or so) there'd be a lot of pains, though. There's a reason beyond copyright that Microsoft keeps coming out with the new windows system. Knowledge, and certainly technology, builds upon itself.

I think the kind of 'loss' is comparable to what I've seen in mechanics. There was a certain point (I can't remember the major date) when cars started switching to becoming more computer reliant. Before that, there were actually a lot of really knowledgeable mechanics. Fixing up cars wasn't always as expensive as it is today, and you had a lot of really knowledgeable people. My dad was one of them. Anything that ran on a motor he could fix up like nothing. There was one time I was with him at a shop and he was talking to a friend who owned it, and asked his friend about the Mac truck in the yard. The guy said it'd been sitting there for nearly two decades and hasn't run. He made some kind of bet with my dad, and if my dad could get it off the lot on his own he could have it for free. Well, my dad did that in under two hours.

When the newer more computer reliant cars came out, the knowledge of guys like my dad became half-antiquated. But in a few years, one would hope, we'll have guys working on computer-reliant cars like my dad did on old cars. Knowledge is cumulative, and losing people 'in the lead' is a big loss, certainly in the short term.

So in the short term technology would develop much slower. Not because whites and asians are inherently smarter, as the straw man you crush seems to suggest, but because whites and asians currently dominate it. Just like if the Greeks disappeared in 500BC, we'd likely have made 'advances' in philosophy much more slowly.

 

Nope, sorry, but you are wrong. Now whatever the OP initiator's intent and no matter the intent of the individual posters replying it was in fact a most excellent topic. It rather cuts to the heart of what it is to be human by eliminating one of a certain ideology's favorite punching bag and boogie-man from the equation. Well what if there were no Whites or -- the other perceived over-achiever -- Asians on Earth. What would have been the result? The answer? Some peoples would still have outperformed their neighbors in warfare and technologies and in other areas simply due to such factors as geography, climate, agriculture, available mineral resources, and so forth and so on. Or a poster can argue that somehow skin color really does affect performance, but if so then he or she also has to logically present a set of iron clad reasons WHY this would be so; and said 'reasons' would have to hold up under rigorous cross examination by skeptics.

So it's a fabulous topic regardless of the posters responding.

 

Absolutely correct right down the line.

 

Race does exist biologically, it is defined by genetic clustering.

 

Good points. Science Fiction authors sometimes wrote short stories and novels centered around, "What if this had happened instead of that" and then followed wherever logic would take them. I don't think any of them concluded that ethnic origins or skin coloration would make a bit of difference. It all came down to geography, a bit of luck, natural resources and so forth.

 

except china was oppressed too, and they seem to be emerging just fine. The endless excuses for Africans could be applied to a lot of other successful people around the planet.

 

There are populations in Africa of black skinned people who are genetically closer to Swedes than to populations of black skinned Africans who live a few miles away. Race is an illusion.

 

Imo, I would say you have a fundamental lack of understanding of how geography affects cultures and races. It's no coincidence that those who were born in the Eurasia landmass developed more ideas. They had access to more! There was a greater exchange of ideas going on, for millenia, between these people. They got a head start on the Africans and Americans, who were isolated by geography. People couldn't penetrate the Sahara; the people south of it had little interaction with other humans. People couldn't cross the oceans, so the Americans were left out of the exchange that Europeans and Asians enjoyed. Wherever the flow of people is not restricted by geography, you will see that region progress more than those areas that have some sort of restriction. It occurs even today. What are the most backward places in America? Easy, just find those places in which not many people pass through, and you can make an educated guess that it will be West Virginia, and the Appalachian region, desert regions not along the route to Cali, etc. It's all about sharing ideas, over long periods of time.

 

Correct.

 

'genetically closer' doesn't matter, all are genetically distinguishable by clustering

 

When and how was China oppressed? Does communism restrict learning or science? Did the Japanese occupation of Manchuria (a small part of China) oppress all of China.

 

Hong Kong- 160 years under the British 'Jackboot', yet they have done better than areas of Communist China in the interior who probably rarely saw a westerner.

 

actually, he's right - i'm a total bigot. in fact, i'm so racist that i'm actually the only Indian member of the KKK in the chapter's history. i even hate my own kind !

i created this thread because i hate all races - i mean, i couldn't have possibly been trying to create a stirring debate on the consequences of two of the most productive and accomplished races no longer existing without having the biased hate and racism in my heart, duh !

 

the entire premiss of the op is built on the assmpution of race and the assumed superiority of some races...its a racist fallacy, a myth....might as well debate the superiority of hobbits vs fairys...

 

it's a mix of race and culture - i don't think having brown skin makes someone less intelligent as people from some Middle Eastern nations and India have accomplished great things in the sciences and arts. i think, though, in general we have yet to see a thirst for the type of knowledge found in Asian and European countries in parts in most Arab nations, Africa, and South America, as well as the Aboriginals.

 

the last refuge of racists, pretending they understand genetics and using that to hide their racist bigoted convictions... genetics has no classifcation for race, biologically we are a single species with no differencs between us...genetics has completely and definitively destroyed the concept of race....

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Racists are found in every culture....

 

meanwhile, real science says

http://www.livescience.com/10716-scientists-theorize-black-athletes-run-fastest.html

 

what a cop-out. never did i say above that it was because of their race. you just are unwilling to face up to the reality that there are some cultures which are more prone to progress and advancement than others.

Hiroshima after WW2



Hiroshima today



Africa in 1940



Africa today

 

genetic clustering exists, different phenotypes exist, haplogroups exist, genetic geneology exists, yet we are all the same, right on

 

I think the sufferance is in the leaders of these racist. By that I mean public leaders and leaders in home. There is no MLK today to set a positive example. There aren't fathers in many homes. The only role models most have are thugs and rappers.
Even Obama is a poor example for these kids today. With his continuos lying and favorable leaning to the rich. Or Al Sharpton with his history of race bating. I would love to know of one national intercity role model kids have today.

 

whatever it is, at some level what the hell does it matter? blacks are not going to suddenly change

 

oh my...what a profound lack of understanding..and here I was thinking when started with "what the real science says" you might have something relevant, but no nothing to see here....