Impeach Biden over the Security Catastrophe He’s Caused at the Border

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  1. mngam

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    It would serve some of you to understand that in order to seek asylum you have to either be in the United States or at its border.
     
  3. FreshAir

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    the law says they can come, Biden doesn't create immegration law, he follows it

    now republican in the house could work with dems in the house to create a new immigration bill - that would be hard work though, not something republicans are known for
     
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    Depends on the reason why they are being on that plane. but if you look at DHS website, they routinely move detention illegal immigrants around the country,. So, you are just spewing conspiracy theories.
     
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    They don't care. They just see poor minorities at the border and thus must be illegal, terrorists, etc.
     
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    According to the GOP, it is the same argument. Get rid of the illegal immigrants and then we may talk, maybe, perhaps, etc. If moderate Republicans and Democrats come together for a comprehensive legal immigration bill, I think that would pass both chambers and Biden would sign, giving the far right fits, threats that they were betrayed by treasonous RINOs or worse.
     
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    I think he would, but the MAGA extreme in the House may not let it come up for a vote
     
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    The denial of reality by the left..... IS a conspiracy theory.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    The law says they can apply in their own country and wait until they are approved. The law does not say they can cross the border illegally.

    This is not about a new immigration bill this is about the control of our borders don't conflate the two.
     
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    And it is the responsibility of the President to ensure our borders are secure so those seeking asylum do so at a legal port of entry.
     
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    if they are fleeing their country, that is not an option, our law says they can apply here too

    the law is what it is, until changed
     
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    And in the meantime our border is a disaster under Biden policies now how do we change that?
     
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    Illegal immigration fluctuates with the desperation of families fleeing oppression and poverty.

    Who wouldn't ignore bureaucratic regulations under such circumstances?

    How can the United States reform government in those nations so that families can feel safe and prosper there?

    I don't know.

    How do you suggest that be accomplished?
     
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    Because of known Repub intransigence.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    We don't impeach presidents over policy disputes.

    No president in history has 'fixed' the border, and this is hardly the bar by which we impeach presidents.

    If that were the bar, then every president since America became the desirable destination, should have been impeached.

    Hell, we should have impeached Trump a third time for his despicable treatment of undocumented immigrants, removing them from their children permanently, for a crime no worse than a class B misdemeanor.

    Please stop it with this nonsensical proposition.

    If you disagree, then I defy you to name one president that 'solved' the immigration problems America faces.

    America should be proud it has an immigration problem, for it's confirmation of America's success! : People want to come here, in droves!

    in my view, what we should do is, given the shortage of workers, is make it easier for immigrants to become citizens, speed up the process, and allow asylum seekers to claim asylum (once they pass inspection, that they really are fleeing persecution, etc). America needs more immigrants, not less. America was founded on immigration, for, without it, you'd still be a European, or wherever the hell you came from, originally, for I assure you, unless you can claim 100% indigenous heritage, you didn't come from America (insofar as your heritage, though you may have been born here).
     
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  17. Bluesguy

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    They are coming because they know they can get in. It is the constitutional duty of the President to stop them. And now you desperately try to claim only those who live in borders states should have a voice in the matter. How absurd.
     
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    Nope. Not even close. Dems dodged it because they knew the issue was an election loser for them and their majorities were thin.
     
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    The law does say they can apply. It does not say anywhere that they must be approved or admitted; that is our option. By policy- we could refuse all. By use of intelligence, we would vet all, and admit those whose character would seem to be of benefit to the American society. America IS NOT obligated to be a world social service providing homes for everybody that doesn't like where they are at.

    Everyone coming here comes from another country- they are not orphans in that respect. IF the people in a country allow violence and bad government to set the standards for that country- that in itself would say that they would do the same thing here. Many who come here from places like Honduras grew up in an environment where gangs and crime were the predominant social standards. IF you are raised with that, it's normalized in your character. Coming here doesn't erase that.

    I've managed large projects, requiring living there- in Honduras, Venezuela and a couple other countries where such values were prevalent. In Venezuela, national martial law and curfews were in effect for the entire time I was there. 500 people were killed in Caracas the day I arrived, and they closed all the airports. There are of course some very good people in these countries- but the levels of bad ones is very high, with Honduras much worse than Venezuela. It is the duty of our government to do whats best for America and OUR citizens first- and that is not compatible with what is happening at the border. The worst enemy of the American citizen today appears to be- the American Government.

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    Republicans in the House can write up a new bill anytime they want
     
  21. Bluesguy

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    We impeach them for whatever the House wants to these days but since this is about not faithfully executing the law and his responsibility to protect our borders..........

    HYperbole.

    Controlling the border does not require a solution to the "immigration problem".

    Which does not require we turn our country into a foreign country.

    We had a shortage of AMERICANS willing to work, let's solve that first then see how many immigrants we need IF ANY.
     
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    And how open are our borders and how willing the President is to allow them to not only stay but be fast tracked to citizenship will being cared for by the American taxpayers.

    It is not a requirement nor obligation of the United States to solve all the problems of all the countries in the world else we allow all those people to come and live here. Where did you get such an idea?
     
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    Why do you think that it is the requirement or obligation of the United States to solve all the problems of all the countries in the world?

    Families are fleeing oppression and poverty.

    Again, how can the United States reform government in those nations so that families can feel safe and prosper there?

    As I acknowledged, I don't know.

    How do you suggest that be accomplished?
     
  24. Bluesguy

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    Why do I have to solve the problems of all those countries? It's not mine nor my country's obiligation.

    In the meantime it is Biden's obligation to protest our borders and prevent people from entering illegally and he is refusing to do so.
     
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    Read the bill.
     

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