Impeach Biden over the Security Catastrophe He’s Caused at the Border

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Why do you tell yourself we need to solve all the problems of other countries?

    Christian charity for desperate families does not impose such a burden but, obviously, improved living conditions in those nations would be the most effective way of significantly reducing the need to flee them. For my family's sake, I would do likewise rather than defer to bureaucratic demands.

    Do you have any ideas how the root causes of illegal immigration can be addressed?
     
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  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why do you keep asking me to solve all the problems of these other countries and I am not a Christian. I am an American trying to get our borders protected from illegal aliens crossing in unsustainable numbers threatening our national security and social and economic wellbeing. I am an American demanding our President do his job why aren't you doing the same?
     
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    You probably never noticed- but when you fail to enforce the laws, bring about significant consequences for violations- there are no laws, no matter what you write. Just wallpaper......
    Every member of congress is in violation of their oath of office everyday. So is the president. If that continues- things sooner or later, will probably get very ugly. As in- much more than now....
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see. So you believe Repubs are open to an immigration reform bill? Immigration is the one trick pony (besides Hunter Biden hysteria) they've been riding for years. Their interest is in pointing blame about it, not trying to fix it.
     
  5. Jack Hays

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    The bill was portrayed as a compromise between providing a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants and increased border enforcement: it included funding for 300 miles (480 km) of vehicle barriers, 105 camera and radar towers, and 20,000 more Border Patrol agents, while simultaneously restructuring visa criteria ...

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia
     
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    So.... Biden finally goes to the border. But, advance efforts came first, to clean the scene so he wouldn't have to agree he saw anything troubling. Apparently he didn't go to the unprotected border areas where hundreds wade the Rio. Instead, did a photo-op at a place with wall intact, and not a sign of anyone coming in. I think the objective is called "Plausible Deniability". He didn't see a problem... So there must not be a problem....

    Same street...
    Before his visit- During his visit.
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  7. Endeavor

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    You mean I should be thankful because after 15 try republican elected a speaker? Now I see how moron like MTG can get elected . She count people like you to vote for her.
     
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    yep, let trump off the hook hurts law and order
     
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    Let’s be honest- Biden didn’t do anything to change the “broken immigration” (legal and illegal and border) system we have. Trump didn’t do anything to change the “ broken immigration” system we have. Obama didn’t do anything to change the “ broken immigration” system we have, Bush do anything to change the “ broken immigration” system we have. We have this problem last 40 years and things are getting worse.

    Neither side wants to compromise. On the left, if you put retractation on who can come to the country and who can’t, they scream discrimination. If you tell the right , the existing 20+ millions who has been in this country for past 20-30 years, the right wouldn’t accept it.

    Trump talked lot about immigration policy at campaign and while he was president, but none were realistic. Sending 20+million people back to their country of origin is not realistic, building “big beautiful wall and Mexico pay for it” is not realistic. Trump had HW, Senate and House first two years of his presidency but he did ZERO on immigration.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Yes let's hope more members will have more say in matters.

    What is a people like me? Do you think insulting me proves your point or something.
     
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    That would make more sense than another Congressional Impeachment boondoggle.
     
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    Not insulting you at all. You are ok with 15 try to elect a speaker. I guess you don’t mind voting for people who takes 15 attempt to do a ceremonial things like electing speaker as long as they have “ R” next to their name.

    For me , the bar is higher.
     
  14. Jack Hays

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    Please see #155. Bush tried very hard.
     
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    You are right, Bush tried several times. President Bush was the last GOP candidate who wanted to do something meaningful about immigration reform
     
  16. Bluesguy

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    What is a people like me who votes for morons (the fact that you have no idea for whom I voted notwithstanding). I am OK with more conservative voices having a say and the House not be run like a private fiefdom al la Pelosie. I am OK with the rules changes they were seeking. I am OK with debate and negotiation. Why are you only OK if one person grabs so much power in what is to be a representative body representing the constituents and not just the leader?
     
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    you are right .. i am not into this kind of "negotiation".

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    The impotence of the new Congressional "leadership" in taking the normally perfunctory step of assuming power for three days does not bode well for initiating a coherent legislative agenda.

    It was sufficiently deranged as to induce justifiable anxiety in Paul Pelosi.

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    Three days of democratic activism in the House was just a good start, and far better than the usual backroom deals.

    PP should be afraid.
    Momma is going to be spending a lot more time at home and she probably has her carving knife sharpened for the next time the little mouse runs up the clock.
    Hickory Dickory Dock.
     
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    No denial. You are just not understanding how the law works as it is written. For anyone to be found guilty of 8 USC 1324a, a person will have to know a person is illegal AND physically transport that person from point A to point B in the United States. It does not include official government business, such as the DHS which routinely transports illegal aliens from one detention center to another. A case like this was in houston. An illegal alien asked a friend for help to send him back home and take him to the airport. The United States Citizen obliged, and transported him to the airport with the illegal alien to self deport. The problem was the illegal alien was caught at the gate. He told the investigators how he got to the airport through his friend. The United States government arrested this person, an owner of a construction company, and arrested him for this very section of the law. But it cannot happen if an illegal alien gets on a bus because no one is reckless and proof of id is generally not required. Nor would it be reckless or disregard based on governmental policy nor through official government business, such as DHS transporting illegal aliens from one detention center to another. And no lawyer will agree to your supposition and argument. No judge either. YOu are as bad as some of Trump's or Kari Lake's attorneys who pretty much need to be reexamined on whether they know the law or not.
     
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    Possible does not mean probable. The issue is you do not have all the facts, just the internet conservative gossip. Second, you need to look at the reason why they are being transported. If they are still in the custody of the DHS, then the code section you are referring to is not valid. Finally, they may have obtained immigrant parole and will now be able to live in the United States or be in the United States with their families while the paperwork gets processed until completion.
     
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    If 60% of the illegals are migrants, for instance, the Blue Card would help. The way the rules would work, as they are proposed is that they can apply for this type of card, an agricultuaral work visa, where they show that they have the skills. They don't need a specific employer to sponsor them. And if the cost is low enough, that is the key, then they would apply in order to gain lawful entry. There, they could go from one farm or ranch to another doing the work that is required, get paid, etc. The card would be good for three years. At the end of the three years, they must go home for a year before reapplying.

    Other avenues is getting rid of the long wait times for certain visas from certain countries, namely India, China, and the Philippines. Streamline the paperwork process for temporary work visas such as the Blue Card, H-1B, H2B, etc. Define more precisely what it means for someone to come in as a refugee or an asylee. And a few other items.

    I will help, and it should help with the number of illegals crossing the border.
     
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    Only by what Congress has allowed. However, there are plenty of other options other than "building a monument to man's stupidity" aka the wall.
     
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    Obama tried so did Bush with the comprehensive immigration reform bill that was introduced in Congress. But the president can only do so much unless you want us to be more like North Korea.
     
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    If you can feed yourself a load of guano like that, you need to go to work for Biden. You can tell each other lies and how unfair it is that anybody notices.
     

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