It was the NYTimes that broke the story about Biden and Hunter back in May in their attempt to make Trump and his supporters look bad. Blame the NYT's for this. If they hadn't then more than likely Trump wouldn't have even known about what happened. Here's a question for both of you, particularly falcon since he talks about "never be above the laws of our nation".....Are political contenders to incumbents above the law? By claiming that Trump should not have asked the Ukraine President to investigate this possible crime (what was thought at the time) that puts Biden, and other contenders above the law simply because they are running against the President...the one who is supposed to carry out and enforce the laws. Or do you want the President to do their job? If he didn't investigate this what would the claim be then? The President is being lax in his duties? Seriously, no matter what Trump did on this one I'm sure that he would have been hollered at either way. I for one am glad that he asked Ukraine's President to investigate this. And I personally do not believe that Biden did anything actually wrong. But my belief, or anyone else's, should not stand in the way of an investigation. In fact I'm sure that an investigation probably would have vindicated Biden and strengthened his position.
And yet when they're asked why is he being impeached, none of them know the answer. Here's a few excerpts from an article in RT: The transcript of President Donald Trump’s phone call with his Ukrainian counterpart shows no pressure or threats to withhold aid. So why are Democrats and media still reading it that way, and invoking it as impeachment grounds? Candidates for the 2020 Democrat presidential nomination also jumped on it, with Senator Cory Booker (D-New Jersey) saying the transcript was “apparent proof that Trump pressured a foreign nation to meddle in our democracy again.” Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts), currently leading the pack in the polls, called the transcript “a smoking gun.” Except literally none of this is true. It appears that while extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, truly outlandish claims require no evidence at all – as shown by Russiagate, the attempt to derail the confirmation of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and now this Ukraine business. What is fascinating is that there are plenty of actual questions when it comes to the US-Ukraine relationship, from the run-up to the 2014 coup to the origins of the Russiagate claims in 2016, and Trump seems to have asked Zelensky to look into some of those in the course of rooting out corruption in his country. Specifically, the US president asked (Zalenky) about Crowdstrike, a contractor for the DNC that originated the claim that Russia hacked the party’s emails in June 2016. He asked about the DNC servers that Crowdstrike never allowed the US authorities to inspect, and a rumor they might be in possession of an oligarch in Ukraine. He also asked about the firing of a prosecutor and whether he was investigating a gas company that paid Vice President Joe Biden’s son $600,000 a year to sit on their board, simply on account of his last name and family connections. Biden himself boasted publicly, at an event in 2018, about threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine if the prosecutor wasn’t fired. The Democrats are in effect saying with this impeachment push that the American public does not need or deserve to know the answers to these questions. Merely to ask them is somehow treasonous and evil. This, rather than anything Trump has said or done, is what is destroying not just the US reputation around the world, but the fabric of the American republic itself. Once unraveled, it may not be possible to ever put it back together. It didn’t have to be this way, but here we are.
He didn't ask them to dig up dirt, he asked them to investigate a crime... there is a big difference.
no candiate or elected offical is above the law, If Biden broke a law he should be punished - same goes for Trump. But to ask a foreign nation to investigate a rival candidate is against the law. Cmon we should have at least learned that from the whole collusion fiasco.
no there was no known crime committed. He wanted them to investigate to see if a crime was committed. big diff. What crime do you think Biden (either of) committed?
Being a political candidate IS NOT A GET OUT OF JAIL CARD. (ask libs' favorite creepy porn lawyer Avenatti ) The Bidens are suspected of having committed serious crimes, Joe Biden is on record blackmailing Ukraine with taxpayers' money. Investigating suspected criminal activity is not just the prerogative, it's the duty of the chief law enforcement officer in the country. Duh.
Yup. These people be dreamin. You'd think they would have learned by now. Not even Pelosi believes in what she's doing. The dems are just flinging poop with wreckless abandon cuz that's all they can do.
I don't know, the prosecutor was fired and the case was closed before it was finished After the US Government through vice president Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees. Hunter Bidens salary was 850,000 dollars and he had no experience with energy companies. I don't know that any crimes occurred. But the situation looks suspicious. If it were trump and trump jr dems would be screaming bloody murder..
I can't understand something. The Democrats were always accusing Trump and his family of using the presidential office for financial gain - when there was no merit to it, so shouldn't they be upset with their former vice president besmirching their own party by using his office for his son's financial gain? Are you kidding me?
It's called projection. If you want to know what the D's are doing just pay attention to what they are accusing the R's of doing. It's amazing that requesting the resumption of the investigation which ended when Biden forced Ukraine to fire the prosecutor looking at Biden's son is considered a crime. Biden has already admitted that he intervened. This will backfire on the D's by eliminating Joe as a viable candidate for the Presidency. And I was so looking forward to learning more about Corn Pop. It would have been hilarious to get Trump and Biden on the same debate stage with Trump trolling Biden.
Why doesn't Pelosi call for a vote ?? Regardless it will never happen as 67 Senate votes are needed. It would be instructive to get all the legislators on record however for the 2020 election.
If Biden or his son is proven guilty of breaking any laws then prosecute the hell out of them.If as seems to be the case Dirty Donald was withholding already House passed appropriated aid to Ukraine by asking their newly elected president to do him a "FAVOUR" that is blackmail and is a crime.He doesn't have to come out and say "unless you do this I won't authorize your aid" all he had to do was IMPLY!!!
10A.I apologize you are correct Andrew Johnson was actually tried two times and was found not guilty twice when the senate fell one vote short of conviction both times.
Well first, Biden is on record insisting that Ukraine do what everyone else in the EU ws telling the Ukraine to do, if they wanted aid. But I don't care if Biden goes to jail, or that his son goes. He never was a person that I liked, he is a corpratist, does not want medicare for all, never pushed for medicare to bid out drugs, and is willing to send boys to war for wall street to make money. He is no better than Clinton or Obama in my eyes. And if a crime was committed out of the US jurisdiction, please tell me what is the American Law that he broke. And what is the law that gives any American court jurisdiction over a crime committed in another country. The company that Biden was employed by was a Ukrainian company. Now an American company can not bribe a foreign leader, but the company that Biden jr worked for was not American. Anyways that is not the big deal type scandal. The scandal is biden jr flying on Air force 2 with Dad, going to China with Dad and coming home with 1.5 bill in a stock fund to manage. Now that is something that to me that stinks to high heaven.
Agreed, it looks more than suspicious, it stinks. But that doesn't mean anything. He was an American that was working for a foreign company. There are no laws that restrict what he does in the Ukraine that he can be charged here. It is political corruption, but there is nothing that the US can do about it under present laws. Just like Trumps daughter with her clothing line and working in China, Obama and Clinton making millions is giving speeches to corporations that they gave billions of contracts to. Trump having Pense and the government entourage stay in a trump resort 3 hours away from where he was to be. The Trump DC hotel filled with lobbyists and foreign "dignitaries" Wanting the G7 to be at his resort. It all stinks to high heaven. Hell after the Trump presidency the nation should just get rid of the emoluments law. No one is even paying any attention to it.
The transcript of that phone call is indicative of something worth looking at very closely. "G'day Vladd, Donald here....good win." "Yeah, ta." "By the way the USA have been very good to the Ukraine and the Europeans give you SFA." 'Yeah, ta." "The USA has been very gererous with gifts of money and......I need a favour, can you soule your attack dogs onto Joe Biden's Son, and let me know. I'll have two of my attack dogs talk to yours for more information." "Sure, no worries Don Old Mate, anything you want Buddy, Old Pal, given we are now besties. See you later in Poland if not before,somewhere else." "Ok, don't forget, my boys will talk to your boys. Bye."
You said if Biden or his son is guilty of a crime prosecute them, while in the same paragraph you're condemning Trump for asking Zalensky to find out if a crime was committed. So explain to me because I'm a little thick. How can one know if a crime was committed without an investigation - and how can an investigation be conducted unless questions are asked? Democrats It's this way, that way, front and back, To cover up our every track and start a-new on our attack of turning white into a black.- Jeannette
