Iran; ' There's no reason to attack us '

Israeli strategists state the error of attacking Iran. That is, it would be stupid to attack Iran, let alone illegal. On top of that there is no guarantee that Israel wouldn't come off worst, politically, strategically and, of course, morally.

Even if Iran had but one nuclear weapon- which it does not - it couldn't match the hundreds of covert nuclear weapons in the Zionist arsenal. So the tub-thumping over Iran's civil nuclear program is designed to create the illusion of a threat against the Middle East to the economic advantage of the Zionists and the US/Zionist satellite regional States. That's capitalism in action. Industrialists and speculators make big money on wars and the threat of wars. The Iranian nuclear program is an excuse, not a genuine threat.
Yet Israel is pushing all the harder for America to attack Iran. What for ? I suggest that it is to create conditions of fear which mask the fascist advance in Israeli society. It's a simple enough agenda.

 

You'll never convince the moronic right-wing that Ahmadinejad doesn't want to 'wipe Israel off the face of the earth' or 'drive Israel into the sea' because that's precisely what they want to believe, irrespective of the reality.
But then right-wing morons never had much of a grip on reality in their one-track, black and white little world.

 

The Internet is providing remedial education.

 

I live in hope...trouble is the right-wing are allergic to education. (It's a communist idea and thus very scary)

 

Listen to what he says and you will see why people see it this way.



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zcElqetqk"]Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map - YouTube[/ame]

 

I like to fight. But in actuality my fight is at home, not overseas. I don't care what Iran and Israel do.

But I am capable of putting myself in the shoes of others. It's a useful characteristic.

Based on the words of President Ahmadinejad, the messianic character of Shiism, and the absolute insanity of Shiism's Twelver Faction (which controls the Theocracy) I have a question. What realistic alternative does Israel have other than to make a strategic first strike?

 

MEMRI and Fox TV

Death to the zionist regime. It couldn't be any clearer.

If it was death to all Jews as those idiots were saying in that clip.

Then they must surely be wondering why all those Jews are living no problem at all in Iran.

Surely he would have started his holocaust on the ones in Iran first.



It's amazing how easily some are brainwashed!

 

Maybe this will help you

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/iran.html

 

It's amazing how easily some are pesuaded not to conduct a cost/benefit analysis based on experience. Land for peace is based on and exchange of territory for mere words that are subsequently repudiated.

Every creature, both organic and political, has a desire for self-preservation. Each such creature calculates the cost/benefit relationship between various courses of action which might further the objective of self-preservation.

Iran's president Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei represent the two most powerful factions controlling the Iranian Theocracy. Despite their other disagreements, both Ahmadinejad and Khamenei are members of the Twelver Sect of Shiism. They believe they are bringing about the conditions necessary for return of the Mahdi. They believe they are acting in accordance with Allah's will. They believe the Coming of the Twelfth Imam is upon us. They have said so. I take them at their word.

A conventional attack on Iran will be fruitless. The Iranian response would be too fearsome to imagine. The only way of preventing Iranian retribution is to kill the country itself. That requires a nuclear first strike on Iran's cities.

The Iranians should be very glad that I am not an Israeli. They should also be glad that I don't see them as anything other than a remote threat. If Iran follows through in its promise to build ballistic missile bases in Venezuela, Iran immediately becomes an existential threat to America that can't be deterred. They can't be deterred because they are on a mission from Allah. And service to Allah is the most important thing in the world for the Twelvers.

 

It is a very small wonder why Iran thinks they need nuclear weapons.

People who espouse first strike nuclear attacks are a danger to the entire world.

 

I don't advocate a first strike with strategic weapons because Iran has not become a mortal danger to me. I believe America should withdraw completely from the Middle East. That would militate in favor of avoiding a confrontation between America and Iran.

You on the other hand have an ideology that seeks to terminate my version of America. Who do you think I see as an existential threat? You or Iran?

 

I agree that any sort of preemptive military action towards Iran would be a horrible decision... for America anyways. I can't imagine how a strike would not lead to further conflict. The last thing we need is more M.E. military engagement.

Israel is more than capable of defending itself against Iran. If Iran were to attack Israel unprovoked... especially with a nuke, Iran would have a very large price to pay.

I agree with Ron Paul, it's time to start reducing deployed forces... and to keep it that way. We don't have to be isolationist or have a laughing stock of a military, we simply need to stop with the preemptive engagement and long term occupations. It makes diplomatic and fiscal sense.

 

in a CNN interview and several times in front of the UN Ahmed has stated he wishes to hasten the arrival of the 12th imam. If you know their religion you'd know that the only way to hasten the arrival of the 12th imam is to create massive bloodshed for him to stop. A nuke in Israel would do the trick.

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Ahmed himself has stated several times Iran's ultimate goal is the complete destruction of Israel. That isn't a right wing pipe dream that's a quote from Ahmed himself.

 

One nuke of Iran's goes off in Israel and it won't matter how many nukes Israel has or had because they'll all be dead. The dead can't retaliate.

 

They'd still be able to retaliate... and that's provided a nuke even made it through their missile defense.

It would be certain death for Iran. I think the Iranian leadership is full of nutters with a true and deep hatred of Israel, but I don't think they are willing to bring the inevitable wholesale death and destruction upon themselves.

 

Iran (somehow) nukes a US city how will the US respond?

Iran is really ready to send a sucker punch our way, knowing full well we could coat the country in nuclear hell. People actually believe this?

 

Iran could possibly pull off an epic terror attack in the West... but then what? The Iranian regime will come down, tens of thousands will die in the process... same old story.

I think it's better that we focus a lot of intelligence on Iran and use small operations against them if needed... operations to target specific threats. Anything but a televised, blatant preemptive attack based on little evidence or questionable evidence... followed by another full scale invasion.

 

i see iran linked to russia and china. they all see the us as a W type unilateral fat, lazy, high tech pompass thug addicted to spending on credit. They figure the US will try to take over the world using 'democracy and freedom' as words to cover a corporate capitalist global takeover bid. So if the US attacks iran, china and russia will freak out and possible respond back sparking the next global war. the us likely has added all chinese large cities and military centers and iranian targets to its nuclear target list. Problem is strike response. Also, response time is too long. they can launch before we destroy their response ability. So we are looking for a way to deliver before they can respond. so if we hit iran, china can respond. so we would have to be ready for that. i hope the cia looks at this board and has contingencies ready.

 

Iran is of little importance because America is busy committing suicide.

 

This is true enough.

Once the Tea Party is done preventing any rational response to our economic situation, we will be irrelevant.

 

lol true true.

 

Then you don't understand the followers of the 12th imam which includes Ahmed himself. They believe he will save them from retaliation magically.

http://worldnews.about.com/od/iran/f/12thimam.htm

Ahmed has said in a CNN interview and several times in the UN that he wants to hasten the arrival of the 12th imam. The only way to do that is through massive amounts of bloodshed.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P60eJnNqvc"]Is the 12th Imam the False Prophet of Revelation? - YouTube[/ame]

It's all documented fact.

 

then the 12th imam will come out of hiding and save them from the great satan, America.

 

They are very good at twisting words.

 

What does that have to do with the accusation by some that falsely clam that he wants to destroy the State of Israel. I mean I myself have prayed for God to cut the time short so that Jesus can return soon. It means that I want to see the end of war, poverty, crime and sins that this world is filled with to end sooner rather than latter. What is wrong with the president of Iran wanting the end of these things as well?